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From: Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net>
To: "Burakov, Anatoly" <anatoly.burakov@intel.com>,
	Jerin Jacob <jerinjacobk@gmail.com>
Cc: "Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>,
	"Maxime Coquelin" <maxime.coquelin@redhat.com>,
	dpdk-dev <dev@dpdk.org>,
	techboard@dpdk.org, "Jim St. Leger" <jim.st.leger@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [dpdk-techboard] Consider improving the DPDKcontribution processes
Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 12:33:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1664892.001bYUvlCK@thomas> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALBAE1NGzQM5L_qFrF1OT3T1ZkcdL45zZFhvv42jtn8PeScSKw@mail.gmail.com>

26/05/2020 12:16, Jerin Jacob:
> Burakov, Anatoly wrote:
> > On 25-May-20 7:44 PM, Morten Brørup wrote:
> > > From: Thomas Monjalon
> > >> About the barrier for entry, maybe it is not obvious because I don't
> > >> communicate a lot about it, but please be aware that I (and other
> > >> maintainers I think) are doing a lot of changes in newcomer patches
> > >> to avoid asking them knowing the whole process from the beginning.
> > >> Then frequent contributors get educated on the way.
> > >
> > > Great! I wish that every developer would think and behave this way.
> >
> > Part of the problem is, there are two different maintainers here:
> > maintainers like myself, who maintain a certain area of the code, and
> > maintainers like Thomas, who has *commit rights* and maintains the
> > entire tree.

Let's call these roles "component maintainer" and "tree maintainer".


> Yes. I had a similar thought when I said about the "fine-grained"
> maintainership/ownership.
> The patchwork does not reflect the fine-grained owner of this patch series.

Indeed, patchwork is about patch integration status.
The delegated person is the one responsible for merge, not review.

> IMO, patch review will speed up or improve if we give the
> responsibility of the patch to
> specific maintainer based on the MAINTAINERS file.

I partially disagree about being strict on review responsibility.
Reviews can and should be done by anyone in the community.
This is how we scale: avoid bottlenecks.
Reminder: multiple reviewers are better, and should be the standard.

The component maintainer responsibility is doing some reviews of course,
but the main responsibility is to make sure reviews are done.


> Github picks up the default owner as CODEOWNERS(The PRIMARY one
> responsible for the file or section of the code)
>  https://github.com/zephyrproject-rtos/zephyr/blob/master/CODEOWNERS.

The git-send-email option --cc-cmd devtools/get-maintainer.sh
does a good job at finding code owners.


> The policy for merge permission( Can CODEOWNERS merge the patch) will
> be specific to the project.
> IMO, This scheme would enable CODEOWNERS are more responsible for the
> code review and
> we have need system where query what is pending the CODEOWERS.
> This http://patches.dpdk.org/project/dpdk/ list does not depict the
> CODEOWERS in DPDK.

Not sure I understood your proposal. You would like one more column
in patchwork which is automatically filled with code owners?


> > And therein lies the problem: Thomas (David, etc.) doesn't look at every
> > area of the code, he relies on us to do it. However, *he* is doing the
> > committing, and fixing up patches, etc. - so, i can't really say things
> > like, "hey, your indentation's wrong here, but Thomas will fix it on
> > apply" because that's me pushing more work onto Thomas, something i
> > don't think i have the moral right to do :)

You can send a new version of the patch with the details fixed,
publicly readable, reviewable, and ready to be pushed.


> > So, while Thomas is free to "fix on apply" at his own desire, i don't
> > think we have to make this a habit.

Yes, it should be more or less an exception.

Bottom line, it is important to be transparent and predictable,
while keeping some flexibility.



  reply	other threads:[~2020-05-26 10:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-25  9:34 [dpdk-dev] Consider improving the DPDK contribution processes Morten Brørup
2020-05-25 11:00 ` Jerin Jacob
2020-05-25 11:12 ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-05-25 11:58   ` Jerin Jacob
2020-05-25 12:53     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-05-25 14:28       ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-05-25 14:55         ` Wiles, Keith
2020-05-25 15:22         ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-05-25 15:35           ` Jerin Jacob
2020-05-25 15:52             ` [dpdk-dev] [dpdk-techboard] " Maxime Coquelin
2020-05-25 15:59               ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-05-25 16:04                 ` Maxime Coquelin
2020-05-25 16:09                   ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-05-25 16:28                     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-05-25 16:57                       ` Wiles, Keith
2020-05-25 17:32                         ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-05-25 17:50                           ` Wiles, Keith
     [not found]                             ` <068c6367-b233-07f9-c038-4bddc4f48106@kth.se>
2020-05-26  9:33                               ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-05-26 13:12                                 ` Wiles, Keith
2020-05-26 13:10                               ` Wiles, Keith
2020-05-25 18:44                       ` [dpdk-dev] [dpdk-techboard] Consider improving the DPDKcontribution processes Morten Brørup
2020-05-25 20:34                         ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-05-26  7:06                           ` Tom Barbette
2020-05-26  7:31                             ` Maxime Coquelin
2020-05-26  9:13                               ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-05-26  9:43                         ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-05-26 10:16                           ` Jerin Jacob
2020-05-26 10:33                             ` Thomas Monjalon [this message]
2020-05-26 10:52                               ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-05-26 12:45                                 ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-05-26 13:57                                   ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-05-26 14:01                                     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-05-26 10:53                               ` Jerin Jacob
2020-05-25 16:01               ` [dpdk-dev] [dpdk-techboard] Consider improving the DPDK contribution processes Jerin Jacob
2020-05-25 15:43           ` [dpdk-dev] " Burakov, Anatoly
2020-05-25 14:55       ` Wiles, Keith
2020-05-25 12:08   ` [dpdk-dev] [dpdk-techboard] " Bruce Richardson
2020-05-25 15:04     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2020-05-25 15:28       ` Jerin Jacob
2020-05-25 15:47     ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-05-25 16:21       ` Bruce Richardson

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