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From: Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net>
To: Jan Blunck <jblunck@infradead.org>
Cc: dev@dpdk.org, Gaetan Rivet <gaetan.rivet@6wind.com>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 05/11] bus: introduce hotplug functionality
Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2017 15:30:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1765263.t0XI3ojoND@xps> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALe+Z01pnZyi65-dUbRTdEOPt03C8jWntR12s5pDFoUCzBGykg@mail.gmail.com>

28/06/2017 15:09, Jan Blunck:
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 2:11 PM, Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net> wrote:
> > 28/06/2017 13:58, Jan Blunck:
> >> On Wed, Jun 28, 2017 at 1:44 PM, Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net> wrote:
> >> > 27/06/2017 21:03, Jan Blunck:
> >> >> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 6:11 PM, Gaetan Rivet <gaetan.rivet@6wind.com> wrote:
> >> >> > --- a/lib/librte_eal/common/include/rte_bus.h
> >> >> > +++ b/lib/librte_eal/common/include/rte_bus.h
> >> >> >  /**
> >> >> > + * Implementation specific probe function which is responsible for linking
> >> >> > + * devices on that bus with applicable drivers.
> >> >> > + * The plugged device might already have been used previously by the bus,
> >> >> > + * in which case some buses might prefer to detect and re-use the relevant
> >> >> > + * information pertaining to this device.
> >> >> > + *
> >> >> > + * @param da
> >> >> > + *     Device declaration.
> >> >> > + *
> >> >> > + * @return
> >> >> > + *     The pointer to a valid rte_device usable by the bus on success.
> >> >> > + *     NULL on error. rte_errno is then set.
> >> >> > + */
> >> >> > +typedef struct rte_device * (*rte_bus_plug_t)(struct rte_devargs *da);
> >> >>
> >> >> Shouldn't this be orthogonal to unplug() and take a rte_device. You
> >> >> should only be able to plug devices that have been found by scan
> >> >> before.
> >> >
> >> > Plugging a device that has been scanned before is a special case.
> >> > In a true hotplug scenario, we could use this plug function passing
> >> > a devargs.
> >> > I don't see any issue passing rte_devargs to plug and rte_device to unplug.
> >>
> >> What do you mean by "true hotplug"?
> >
> > I mean a kernel notification of a new device.
> 
> Does a "false hotplug" exist, too? :)

The false hotplug was the original attach function which was just
adding a new ethdev interface.

> >> The problem with this is that passing just rte_devargs to plug()
> >> requires the bus to parse and enrich the rte_devargs with bus
> >> specifics. From there it gets folded into the to-be-created bus
> >> specific rte_XXX_device. This makes it unnecessarily complicated and
> >> even worse it adds a second code path how devices come alive.
> >
> > Just after the notification, the rte_device does not exist yet.
> > So the plug function could share the same code as the scan function
> > to get the metadata and create the device instance.
> 
> Exactly this is what I want to avoid. 

Why do you want to avoid that?
I think you mean it is not what you had in mind.

> The plug() function would become a "scan-one and probe".

Yes

> From my point of view plug() and unplug() should be orthogonal.
> The plug() and unplug() should only be responsible for adding drivers
> with optional arguments. The EAL should allow the drivers to get
> unplugged/re-plugged at run-time. I want to be able to change arguments
> ... or even drivers :)

It is a totally different thing.
We are talking about hotplug of a device,
and you are talking about changing drivers dynamically.

So I still don't understand what is the issue with the plug/unplug
functions proposed here.

> >> When we get notified about a hotplug event we already know which bus
> >> this event belongs to:
> >>
> >> 1. scan the bus for incoming devices
> >
> > No need to scan every devices here.
> 
> This is a readdir followed by open+read+close for any new device. This
> code belongs here anyway. Its lightweight if nothing changed. The scan
> itself should be idempotent anyway.
> 
> >> 2. plug single device with devargs and probe for drivers
> >>
> >> Makes sense?
> >
> > I want to make sure there is no misunderstanding first :)
> 
> Which makes sense. That is probably my fault due to being too
> distracted with other things and not communicating well enough while
> Gaetan consumed my code.

Your ideas are probably interesting, and I want to understand them.
In the meantime, we need to progress on 17.08-rc1 which must be done
in following days. Please let's separate the ideas which are not
yet implemented from what we are already able to deliver.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-06-28 13:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 117+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-26  0:21 [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 00/12] bus: attach / detach API Gaetan Rivet
2017-06-26  0:21 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 01/12] bus: add bus iterator to find a bus Gaetan Rivet
2017-06-26 15:30   ` Bruce Richardson
2017-06-26 20:53     ` Gaëtan Rivet
2017-06-26  0:22 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 02/12] bus: add device iterator method Gaetan Rivet
2017-06-26 16:20   ` Bruce Richardson
2017-06-26 21:13     ` Gaëtan Rivet
2017-06-26  0:22 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 03/12] bus: add helper to find which bus holds a device Gaetan Rivet
2017-06-26 16:31   ` Bruce Richardson
2017-06-26 22:16     ` Gaëtan Rivet
2017-06-26  0:22 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 04/12] bus: add bus iterator to find " Gaetan Rivet
2017-06-27 10:14   ` Bruce Richardson
2017-06-27 13:54   ` Bruce Richardson
2017-06-27 15:05     ` Gaëtan Rivet
2017-06-27 15:08       ` Bruce Richardson
2017-06-26  0:22 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 05/12] bus: introduce hotplug functionality Gaetan Rivet
2017-06-27 12:23   ` Bruce Richardson
2017-06-26  0:22 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 06/12] vdev: implement find_device bus operation Gaetan Rivet
2017-06-27 12:25   ` Bruce Richardson
2017-06-26  0:22 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 07/12] vdev: implement hotplug functionality Gaetan Rivet
2017-06-27 12:41   ` Bruce Richardson
2017-06-26  0:22 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 08/12] vdev: expose bus name Gaetan Rivet
2017-06-27 12:45   ` Bruce Richardson
2017-06-26  0:22 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 09/12] vdev: use standard bus registration function Gaetan Rivet
2017-06-27 12:59   ` Bruce Richardson
2017-06-26  0:22 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 10/12] pci: implement find_device bus operation Gaetan Rivet
2017-06-27 13:36   ` Bruce Richardson
2017-06-26  0:22 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 11/12] pci: implement hotplug " Gaetan Rivet
2017-06-27 13:49   ` Bruce Richardson
2017-06-26  0:22 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 12/12] eal: make virtual driver probe and remove take rte_vdev_device Gaetan Rivet
2017-06-27 13:58   ` Bruce Richardson
2017-06-27 14:47     ` Gaëtan Rivet
2017-06-27 15:06       ` Bruce Richardson
2017-06-27 14:00   ` Bruce Richardson
2017-06-27 14:08 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 00/12] bus: attach / detach API Bruce Richardson
2017-06-27 14:48   ` Gaëtan Rivet
2017-06-27 16:11 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 00/11] " Gaetan Rivet
2017-06-27 16:11   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 01/11] bus: add bus iterator to find a bus Gaetan Rivet
2017-06-27 16:11   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 02/11] bus: add device iterator method Gaetan Rivet
2017-06-27 16:11   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 03/11] bus: add helper to find which bus holds a device Gaetan Rivet
2017-06-27 16:11   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 04/11] bus: add bus iterator to find " Gaetan Rivet
2017-06-27 16:11   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 05/11] bus: introduce hotplug functionality Gaetan Rivet
2017-06-27 19:03     ` Jan Blunck
2017-06-28 11:44       ` Thomas Monjalon
2017-06-28 11:58         ` Jan Blunck
2017-06-28 12:11           ` Thomas Monjalon
2017-06-28 13:09             ` Jan Blunck
2017-06-28 13:30               ` Thomas Monjalon [this message]
2017-06-28 15:11                 ` Jan Blunck
2017-06-28 15:33                   ` Bruce Richardson
2017-06-29 12:59                     ` Gaëtan Rivet
2017-06-29 19:20                       ` Jan Blunck
2017-06-30 11:32                         ` Gaëtan Rivet
2017-06-27 16:11   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 06/11] vdev: implement find_device bus operation Gaetan Rivet
2017-06-27 16:11   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 07/11] vdev: implement hotplug " Gaetan Rivet
2017-06-27 16:11   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 08/11] vdev: use standard bus registration function Gaetan Rivet
2017-07-03 22:15     ` Thomas Monjalon
2017-06-27 16:11   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 09/11] pci: implement find_device bus operation Gaetan Rivet
2017-06-27 23:35     ` Stephen Hemminger
2017-06-28  9:17       ` Gaëtan Rivet
2017-06-28  9:52         ` Richardson, Bruce
2017-06-27 16:11   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 10/11] pci: implement hotplug " Gaetan Rivet
2017-06-27 16:11   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 11/11] dev: use new hotplug API in attach / detach Gaetan Rivet
2017-06-29 18:21   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 00/15] bus attach/detach API and hotplug rework Jan Blunck
2017-06-29 18:21     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 01/15] bus: add bus iterator to find a bus Jan Blunck
2017-06-29 18:21     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 02/15] bus: add find_device bus operation Jan Blunck
2017-06-29 18:21     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 03/15] vdev: implement " Jan Blunck
2017-06-29 18:21     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 04/15] pci: " Jan Blunck
2017-06-29 18:21     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 05/15] bus/fslmc: " Jan Blunck
2017-06-29 18:21     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 06/15] bus: add helper to find which bus holds a device Jan Blunck
2017-06-30  9:16       ` Thomas Monjalon
2017-06-30 16:46         ` Jan Blunck
2017-06-30 18:29           ` Thomas Monjalon
2017-06-30 21:24             ` Bruce Richardson
2017-06-30 21:25           ` Bruce Richardson
2017-06-29 18:21     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 07/15] bus: add bus iterator to find " Jan Blunck
2017-06-30  9:17       ` Thomas Monjalon
2017-06-29 18:21     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 08/15] bus: require buses to implement find_device operation Jan Blunck
2017-06-29 18:22     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 09/15] bus: add rte_bus_find_by_name Jan Blunck
2017-06-29 18:22     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 10/15] bus: introduce device plug/unplug functionality Jan Blunck
2017-06-29 18:22     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 11/15] vdev: implement unplug bus operation Jan Blunck
2017-06-29 18:22     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 12/15] pci: implement hotplug " Jan Blunck
2017-06-29 18:22     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 13/15] eal: add hotplug add/remove functions Jan Blunck
2017-06-30  9:06       ` Thomas Monjalon
2017-06-30  9:11         ` Gaëtan Rivet
2017-06-30  9:20           ` Bruce Richardson
2017-06-30 15:44             ` Jan Blunck
2017-06-30 16:03               ` Thomas Monjalon
2017-06-30 16:13                 ` Gaëtan Rivet
2017-06-30 16:25                   ` Bruce Richardson
2017-06-30 16:29                     ` Thomas Monjalon
2017-06-30 12:54       ` Thomas Monjalon
2017-06-30 15:12         ` Jan Blunck
2017-06-29 18:22     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 14/15] dev: use new hotplug API in attach / detach Jan Blunck
2017-06-29 21:05       ` Thomas Monjalon
2017-06-29 18:22     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 15/15] ethdev: Use embedded rte_device to detach driver Jan Blunck
2017-06-29 20:58       ` Thomas Monjalon
2017-06-30  9:59     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 00/15] bus attach/detach API and hotplug rework Thomas Monjalon
2017-06-30 18:19     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 00/14] " Jan Blunck
2017-06-30 18:19       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 01/14] bus: add bus iterator to find a bus Jan Blunck
2017-06-30 18:19       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 02/14] bus: add find_device bus operation Jan Blunck
2017-06-30 18:19       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 03/14] vdev: implement " Jan Blunck
2017-06-30 18:19       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 04/14] pci: " Jan Blunck
2017-06-30 18:19       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 05/14] bus/fslmc: " Jan Blunck
2017-06-30 18:19       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 06/14] bus: add helper to find which bus holds a device Jan Blunck
2017-06-30 18:19       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 07/14] bus: require buses to implement find_device operation Jan Blunck
2017-06-30 18:19       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 08/14] bus: add rte_bus_find_by_name Jan Blunck
2017-06-30 18:19       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 09/14] bus: introduce device plug/unplug functionality Jan Blunck
2017-06-30 18:38         ` Gaëtan Rivet
2017-06-30 18:52           ` Jan Blunck
2017-06-30 18:19       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 10/14] vdev: implement unplug bus operation Jan Blunck
2017-06-30 18:19       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 11/14] pci: implement hotplug " Jan Blunck
2017-06-30 18:19       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 12/14] eal: add hotplug add/remove functions Jan Blunck
2017-06-30 18:19       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 13/14] ethdev: Use embedded rte_device to detach driver Jan Blunck
2017-07-03 23:17         ` Thomas Monjalon
2017-06-30 18:19       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 14/14] dev: use new hotplug API in attach Jan Blunck
2017-07-03 22:59       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 00/14] bus attach/detach API and hotplug rework Thomas Monjalon

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