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From: Adrien Mazarguil <adrien.mazarguil@6wind.com>
To: Ferruh Yigit <ferruh.yigit@intel.com>
Cc: dev@dpdk.org, Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v1 2/3] net/hyperv: implement core functionality
Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 16:06:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20171219150605.GG5377@6wind.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <29ee4328-363b-19e2-fcc5-c1af57395277@intel.com>

On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 05:54:45PM -0800, Ferruh Yigit wrote:
> On 12/18/2017 8:46 AM, Adrien Mazarguil wrote:
> > As described in more details in the attached documentation (see patch
> > contents), this virtual device driver manages NetVSC interfaces in virtual
> > machines hosted by Hyper-V/Azure platforms.
> > 
> > This driver does not manage traffic nor Ethernet devices directly; it acts
> > as a thin configuration layer that automatically instantiates and controls
> > fail-safe PMD instances combining tap and PCI sub-devices, so that each
> > NetVSC interface is exposed as a single consolidated port to DPDK
> > applications.
> > 
> > PCI sub-devices being hot-pluggable (e.g. during VM migration),
> > applications automatically benefit from increased throughput when present
> > and automatic fallback on NetVSC otherwise without interruption thanks to
> > fail-safe's hot-plug handling.
> > 
> > Once initialized, the sole job of the hyperv driver is to regularly scan
> > for PCI devices to associate with NetVSC interfaces and feed their
> > addresses to corresponding fail-safe instances.
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Adrien Mazarguil <adrien.mazarguil@6wind.com>
> 
> <...>
> 
> > +	RTE_ETH_FOREACH_DEV(port_id) {
> <..>
> > +			ret = rte_eal_hotplug_remove(bus->name, dev->name);
> <..>
> > +	ret = rte_eal_hotplug_add("vdev", ctx->devname, ctx->devargs);
> 
> Overall why this logic implemented as network PMD?
> Yes technically you can implement *anything* as PMD :), but should we?
> 
> This code does eal level work (scans bus, add/remove devices), and for control
> path, and not a generic solution either (specific to netvsc and failsafe).
> 
> Only device argument part of a PMD seems used, rest is unrelated to being a PMD.
> Scans netvsc changes in background and reflects them into failsafe PMD...
> 
> Why this is implemented as PMD, not another entity, like bus driver perhaps?
> 
> Or indeed why this in DPDK instead of being in application?

I'll address that last question first: the point of this driver is enabling
existing applications to run within a Hyper-V environment unmodified,
because they'd otherwise need to manage two driver instances correctly on
their own in addition to hot-plug events during VM migration.

Some kind of driver generating a front end to what otherwise appears as two
distinct ethdev to applications is therefore necessary.

Currently without it, users have to manually configure failsafe properly for
each NetVSC interface on their system. Besides the inconvenience, it's not
even a possibility with DPDK applications that don't rely on EAL
command-line arguments.

As such it's more correctly defined as a "platform" driver rather than a
true PMD. It leaves VF device handling to their respective PMDs while
automatically managing the platform-specific part itself. There's no simpler
alternative when running in blacklist mode (i.e. not specifying any device
parameters on the command line).

Regarding its presence in drivers/net rather than drivers/bus, the end
result from an application standpoint is that each instance exposes a single
ethdev, even if not its own (failsafe's). Busses don't do that. It also
allows passing arguments to individual devices through --vdev if needed.

You're right about putting device detection at the bus level though, and I
think there's work in progress to do just that, this driver will be updated
to benefit from it once applied. In the meantime, the code as submitted
works fine with the current DPDK code base and addresses an existing use
case for which there is no solution at this point.

-- 
Adrien Mazarguil
6WIND

  reply	other threads:[~2017-12-19 15:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 112+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2017-11-24 17:21   ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC] Introduce virtual PMD for Hyper-V/Azure platforms Adrien Mazarguil
2017-12-18 16:46     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v1 0/3] " Adrien Mazarguil
2017-12-18 16:46       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v1 1/3] net/hyperv: introduce MS Hyper-V platform driver Adrien Mazarguil
2017-12-18 18:28         ` Stephen Hemminger
2017-12-18 19:54           ` Thomas Monjalon
2017-12-18 21:17             ` Stephen Hemminger
2017-12-19 10:01               ` Adrien Mazarguil
2017-12-19 11:15                 ` Thomas Monjalon
2017-12-19 13:13                   ` Adrien Mazarguil
2017-12-18 16:46       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v1 2/3] net/hyperv: implement core functionality Adrien Mazarguil
2017-12-18 17:04         ` Wiles, Keith
2017-12-18 17:59           ` Adrien Mazarguil
2017-12-18 18:43             ` Wiles, Keith
2017-12-19  8:25               ` Nelio Laranjeiro
2017-12-18 18:26         ` Stephen Hemminger
2017-12-18 20:21           ` Adrien Mazarguil
2017-12-18 21:03             ` Thomas Monjalon
2017-12-18 21:19               ` Stephen Hemminger
2017-12-18 18:34         ` Stephen Hemminger
2017-12-18 20:23           ` Adrien Mazarguil
2017-12-19  9:53             ` Bruce Richardson
2017-12-19 10:15               ` Adrien Mazarguil
2017-12-19 15:31                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2017-12-18 23:59         ` Stephen Hemminger
2017-12-19 10:01           ` Adrien Mazarguil
2017-12-19 15:37             ` Stephen Hemminger
2017-12-19  1:54         ` Ferruh Yigit
2017-12-19 15:06           ` Adrien Mazarguil [this message]
2017-12-19 20:44             ` Ferruh Yigit
2017-12-20 14:13               ` Thomas Monjalon
2017-12-21 16:19               ` Adrien Mazarguil
2017-12-18 16:46       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v1 3/3] net/hyperv: add "force" parameter Adrien Mazarguil
2017-12-18 18:23       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v1 0/3] Introduce virtual PMD for Hyper-V/Azure platforms Stephen Hemminger
2017-12-18 20:13         ` Thomas Monjalon
2017-12-19  0:40           ` Stephen Hemminger
2017-12-18 20:21         ` Adrien Mazarguil
2017-12-22 18:01       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 0/5] " Adrien Mazarguil
2017-12-22 18:01         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 1/5] net/failsafe: fix invalid free Adrien Mazarguil
2017-12-22 18:01         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 2/5] net/failsafe: add "fd" parameter Adrien Mazarguil
2017-12-22 18:01         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 3/5] net/vdev_netvsc: introduce Hyper-V platform driver Adrien Mazarguil
2017-12-22 18:01         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 4/5] net/vdev_netvsc: implement core functionality Adrien Mazarguil
2017-12-22 18:01         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 5/5] net/vdev_netvsc: add "force" parameter Adrien Mazarguil
2017-12-23  2:06         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 0/5] Introduce virtual PMD for Hyper-V/Azure platforms Stephen Hemminger
2017-12-23 14:28           ` Thomas Monjalon
2018-01-09 14:47         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 0/8] Introduce virtual driver " Matan Azrad
2018-01-09 14:47           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 1/8] net/failsafe: fix invalid free Matan Azrad
2018-01-16 10:24             ` Gaëtan Rivet
2018-01-09 14:47           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 2/8] net/failsafe: add "fd" parameter Matan Azrad
2018-01-16 10:54             ` Gaëtan Rivet
2018-01-16 11:19               ` Gaëtan Rivet
2018-01-16 16:17                 ` Matan Azrad
2018-01-09 14:47           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 3/8] net/failsafe: support probed sub-devices getting Matan Azrad
2018-01-16 11:09             ` Gaëtan Rivet
2018-01-16 12:27               ` Matan Azrad
2018-01-16 14:40                 ` Gaëtan Rivet
2018-01-16 16:15                   ` Matan Azrad
2018-01-16 16:54                     ` Gaëtan Rivet
2018-01-16 17:20                       ` Matan Azrad
2018-01-16 22:31                         ` Gaëtan Rivet
2018-01-17  8:40                           ` Matan Azrad
2018-01-09 14:47           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 4/8] net/vdev_netvsc: introduce Hyper-V platform driver Matan Azrad
2018-01-09 14:47           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 5/8] net/vdev_netvsc: implement core functionality Matan Azrad
2018-01-09 18:49             ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-01-10 15:02               ` Matan Azrad
2018-01-17 16:51                 ` Thomas Monjalon
2018-01-09 14:47           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 6/8] net/vdev_netvsc: skip routed netvsc probing Matan Azrad
2018-01-09 18:51             ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-01-10 15:07               ` Matan Azrad
2018-01-10 16:43                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-01-11  9:00                   ` Matan Azrad
2018-01-17 16:59                     ` Thomas Monjalon
2018-01-09 14:47           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 7/8] net/vdev_netvsc: add "force" parameter Matan Azrad
2018-01-09 14:47           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 8/8] net/vdev_netvsc: add automatic probing Matan Azrad
2018-01-18  8:43           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 0/8] Introduce virtual driver for Hyper-V/Azure platforms Matan Azrad
2018-01-18  8:43             ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 1/8] net/failsafe: fix invalid free Matan Azrad
2018-01-18  8:43             ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 2/8] net/failsafe: add "fd" parameter Matan Azrad
2018-01-18  8:51               ` Gaëtan Rivet
2018-01-18  8:43             ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 3/8] net/failsafe: add probed etherdev capture Matan Azrad
2018-01-18  9:10               ` Gaëtan Rivet
2018-01-18  9:33                 ` Matan Azrad
2018-01-18  8:43             ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 4/8] net/vdev_netvsc: introduce Hyper-V platform driver Matan Azrad
2018-01-18  8:43             ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 5/8] net/vdev_netvsc: implement core functionality Matan Azrad
2018-01-18 18:25               ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-01-18 18:28                 ` Matan Azrad
2018-01-18  8:43             ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 6/8] net/vdev_netvsc: skip routed netvsc probing Matan Azrad
2018-01-18 18:26               ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-01-18 18:47                 ` Thomas Monjalon
2018-01-18  8:43             ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 7/8] net/vdev_netvsc: add "force" parameter Matan Azrad
2018-01-18 18:27               ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-01-18 18:30                 ` Matan Azrad
2018-01-18  8:43             ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 8/8] net/vdev_netvsc: add automatic probing Matan Azrad
2018-01-18 10:01             ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 0/8] Introduce virtual driver for Hyper-V/Azure platforms Matan Azrad
2018-01-18 10:01               ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 1/8] net/failsafe: fix invalid free Matan Azrad
2018-01-18 10:01               ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 2/8] net/failsafe: add "fd" parameter Matan Azrad
2018-01-18 10:01               ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 3/8] net/failsafe: add probed etherdev capture Matan Azrad
2018-01-18 10:08                 ` Gaëtan Rivet
2018-01-18 10:01               ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 4/8] net/vdev_netvsc: introduce Hyper-V platform driver Matan Azrad
2018-01-18 10:01               ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 5/8] net/vdev_netvsc: implement core functionality Matan Azrad
2018-01-18 10:01               ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 6/8] net/vdev_netvsc: skip routed netvsc probing Matan Azrad
2018-01-18 10:01               ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 7/8] net/vdev_netvsc: add "force" parameter Matan Azrad
2018-01-18 10:01               ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 8/8] net/vdev_netvsc: add automatic probing Matan Azrad
2018-01-18 13:51               ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 0/8] Introduce virtual driver for Hyper-V/Azure platforms Matan Azrad
2018-01-18 13:51                 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 1/8] net/failsafe: fix invalid free Matan Azrad
2018-01-18 13:51                 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 2/8] net/failsafe: add "fd" parameter Matan Azrad
2018-01-18 13:51                 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 3/8] net/failsafe: add probed etherdev capture Matan Azrad
2018-01-18 22:34                   ` Thomas Monjalon
2018-01-18 13:51                 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 4/8] net/vdev_netvsc: introduce Hyper-V platform driver Matan Azrad
2018-01-18 13:51                 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 5/8] net/vdev_netvsc: implement core functionality Matan Azrad
2018-01-18 13:51                 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 6/8] net/vdev_netvsc: skip routed netvsc probing Matan Azrad
2018-01-18 13:51                 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 7/8] net/vdev_netvsc: add "force" parameter Matan Azrad
2018-01-18 13:51                 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 8/8] net/vdev_netvsc: add automatic probing Matan Azrad
2018-01-20  1:15                 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 0/8] Introduce virtual driver for Hyper-V/Azure platforms Ferruh Yigit

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