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From: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
To: Dan Gora <dg@adax.com>
Cc: Ferruh Yigit <ferruh.yigit@intel.com>, dev@dpdk.org
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 10/10] kni: add API to set link status on kernel interface
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 16:10:43 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180829161043.11bb2434@xeon-e3> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGyogRbBBAU92KdqVwghpon1brMo=4XJNPotiBYpztQkzB4mGQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 29 Aug 2018 19:41:23 -0300
Dan Gora <dg@adax.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 7:12 PM, Dan Gora <dg@adax.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 7:00 PM, Stephen Hemminger
> > <stephen@networkplumber.org> wrote:  
> >>> >> Add a new API function to KNI, rte_kni_update_link() to allow DPDK
> >>> >> applications to update the link state for the KNI network interfaces
> >>> >> in the linux kernel.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Note that the default carrier state is set to off when the interface
> >>> >> is opened.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> Signed-off-by: Dan Gora <dg@adax.com>  
> >>> >
> >>> > Do you really need a special ioctl for this?
> >>> > There is already ability to set link state via sysfs or netlink.  
> >>>
> >>> I think yes.. AFAIK sysfs does not constitute a stable API;  
> >>
> >> It is a stable API on Linux.  
> >  
> 
> Actually this does not seem to be completely true...
> 
> From Documentation/admin-guide/sysfs-rules.rst:
> 
> Rules on how to access information in sysfs
> ===========================================
> 
> The kernel-exported sysfs exports internal kernel implementation details
> and depends on internal kernel structures and layout. It is agreed upon
> by the kernel developers that the Linux kernel does not provide a stable
> internal API. Therefore, there are aspects of the sysfs interface that
> may not be stable across kernel releases.
> 
> <snip>
> 
> - devices are only "devices"
>     There is no such thing like class-, bus-, physical devices,
>     interfaces, and such that you can rely on in userspace. Everything is
>     just simply a "device". Class-, bus-, physical, ... types are just
>     kernel implementation details which should not be expected by
>     applications that look for devices in sysfs.
> 
>     The properties of a device are:
> 
>     - devpath (``/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.1/usb2/2-2/2-2:1.0``)
> <snip>
> 
>     - kernel name (``sda``, ``tty``, ``0000:00:1f.2``, ...)
> <snip>
> 
>     - subsystem (``block``, ``tty``, ``pci``, ...)
> <snip>
> 
>     - driver (``tg3``, ``ata_piix``, ``uhci_hcd``)
> <snip>
> 
>     - attributes
> <snip>
> 
>     Everything else is just a kernel driver-core implementation detail
>     that should not be assumed to be stable across kernel releases.

Network device sysfs is stable. No one ever got around to putting it in documentation
I wouldn't worry, once anything in /sys/class/net is added it is not going to change without major breakage in many many tools.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-08-29 23:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-06-28 22:45 [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 00/10] kni: Interface detach and link status fixes Dan Gora
2018-06-29  1:54 ` Dan Gora
2018-06-29  1:54   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 01/10] kni: remove unused variables from struct kni_dev Dan Gora
2018-08-29 10:29     ` Ferruh Yigit
2018-06-29  1:55   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 02/10] kni: separate releasing netdev from freeing KNI interface Dan Gora
2018-08-29 10:59     ` Ferruh Yigit
2018-09-04  0:20       ` Dan Gora
2018-09-04  0:36       ` Dan Gora
2018-10-10 17:24         ` Ferruh Yigit
2018-10-10 18:18           ` Dan Gora
2018-10-10 22:51             ` Ferruh Yigit
2018-10-10 23:38               ` Dan Gora
2018-06-29  1:55   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 03/10] kni: don't touch struct kni_dev after freeing Dan Gora
2018-06-29  1:55   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 04/10] kni: add rte_kni_free to KNI library Dan Gora
2018-06-29  1:55   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 05/10] kni: don't run rte_kni_handle_request after interface release Dan Gora
2018-06-29  1:55   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 06/10] kni: increase length of timeout for KNI responses Dan Gora
2018-06-29  1:55   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 07/10] kni: update kni test for rte_kni_free Dan Gora
2018-06-29  1:55   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 08/10] kni: add rte_kni_free to KNI example app Dan Gora
2018-06-29  1:55   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 09/10] kni: add rte_kni_free to KNI vdev driver Dan Gora
2018-06-29  1:55   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 10/10] kni: add API to set link status on kernel interface Dan Gora
2018-08-29 11:48     ` Ferruh Yigit
2018-08-29 21:10       ` Dan Gora
2018-08-29 22:01         ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-08-29 15:54     ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-08-29 21:02       ` Dan Gora
2018-08-29 22:00         ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-08-29 22:12           ` Dan Gora
2018-08-29 22:41             ` Dan Gora
2018-08-29 23:10               ` Stephen Hemminger [this message]
2018-08-30  9:49                 ` Igor Ryzhov
2018-08-30 10:32                   ` Igor Ryzhov
2018-08-30 21:41                   ` Dan Gora
2018-08-30 22:09                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-08-30 22:11                       ` Dan Gora
2018-09-04  0:47                         ` Dan Gora
2018-09-05 12:57                           ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-09-11 21:45                             ` Dan Gora
2018-09-11 21:52                               ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-09-11 22:07                                 ` Dan Gora
2018-09-11 23:14                                   ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-09-12  4:02                                     ` Jason Wang
2018-09-11 23:14     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 0/2] " Dan Gora
2018-09-11 23:14     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 1/2] " Dan Gora
2018-09-11 23:18       ` Dan Gora
2018-07-20 11:36   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 00/10] kni: Interface detach and link status fixes Ferruh Yigit

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