From: "Eads, Gage" <gage.eads@intel.com>
To: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
Cc: "dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>,
"olivier.matz@6wind.com" <olivier.matz@6wind.com>,
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Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 0/6] Add lock-free ring and mempool handler
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2019 19:23:02 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <9184057F7FC11744A2107296B6B8EB1E5420E60C@FMSMSX108.amr.corp.intel.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <20190401192302.HIpl2a1K-eb9knv2Ta1pJU1TZJPqO8199n3nC8hIm1k@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190319085123.00df99c2@shemminger-XPS-13-9360>
>
> On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 21:49:44 +0000
> "Eads, Gage" <gage.eads@intel.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Friendly reminder that in order to get this feature into 19.08 (assuming
> folks also want that :)), the API deprecation notice needs to be merged into
> 19.05.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Gage
>
> Given the recent API/ABI stability discussion, this is the kind of patch that
> really needs to be examined and justified.
Can you point me to the discussion (assuming it was on the ML)? I'm aware of Ferruh's changes to the docs, but not the discussion you referenced.
The lock-free ring functionality itself is a valuable addition to DPDK, primarily because it lacks the standard ring's non-preemptive constraint. The non-preemptive constraint is important in an application with both high priority, performance-sensitive data-plane components and low-priority control-plane components. This was important enough to warrant further clarification recently[1], and has been a discussion topic for some time[2][3].
The modified API, rte_ring_get_memsize(), was added to allow users to initialize rings in separately allocated memory. This function isn't called in DPDK's examples/apps/drivers, and a quick google search didn't turn up any open source projects that call the function, so I suspect that a majority of ring code uses rte_ring_create() instead of rte_ring_get_memsize() + rte_ring_init(). So I suspect this interface change will affect a small percentage of DPDK users.
As a straw-man counter-proposal, we could instead introduce a lock-free specific function rte_lf_ring_get_memsize() that lock-free ring users would call instead of rte_ring_get_memsize(). This would avoid the API modification, but:
- It's awkward to have one rte_lf_ring_* function and otherwise access the lock-free ring through rte_ring_* functions.
- It's also easy to envision a user incorrectly calling rte_ring_get_memsize() rather than rte_lf_ring_get_memsize() for a lock-free ring, since otherwise rte_ring_* functions are used. DPDK would have no way to detect that the allocated memory is too small, and if such a bug occurs it would manifest itself as memory corruption.
- Changing rte_ring_get_memsize() to take a flags argument may be the better long-term design, if another flag is introduced that likewise uses a different ring size.
Another approach is to break out the lock-free ring into a fully separate API. One of the goals of my patchset was to allow applications to switch to lock-free rings with minimal code change; I think the value of the lock-free ring warrants such an approach.
(Unfortunately without hard numbers on the cost or benefit of such a change, these arguments are fairly subjective.)
Thanks,
Gage
[1] https://patches.dpdk.org/patch/43122/
[2] http://mails.dpdk.org/archives/dev/2013-November/000714.html
[3] http://mails.dpdk.org/archives/dev/2014-January/001163.html
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2019-01-10 21:01 [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 0/6] Add non-blocking ring Gage Eads
2019-01-10 21:01 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 1/6] ring: change head and tail to pointer-width size Gage Eads
2019-01-11 4:38 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-01-11 19:07 ` Eads, Gage
2019-01-11 10:25 ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-01-11 19:12 ` Eads, Gage
2019-01-11 19:55 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-01-15 15:48 ` Eads, Gage
2019-01-11 10:40 ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-01-11 10:58 ` Bruce Richardson
2019-01-11 11:30 ` Burakov, Anatoly
[not found] ` <20190111115851.GC3336@bricha3-MOBL.ger.corp.intel.com>
2019-01-11 19:27 ` Eads, Gage
2019-01-21 14:14 ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-01-22 18:27 ` Eads, Gage
2019-01-10 21:01 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 2/6] ring: add a non-blocking implementation Gage Eads
2019-01-10 21:01 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 3/6] test_ring: add non-blocking ring autotest Gage Eads
2019-01-10 21:01 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 4/6] test_ring_perf: add non-blocking ring perf test Gage Eads
2019-01-10 21:01 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 5/6] mempool/ring: add non-blocking ring handlers Gage Eads
2019-01-13 13:43 ` Andrew Rybchenko
2019-01-10 21:01 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 6/6] doc: add NB ring comment to EAL "known issues" Gage Eads
2019-01-11 2:51 ` Varghese, Vipin
2019-01-11 19:30 ` Eads, Gage
2019-01-14 0:07 ` Varghese, Vipin
2019-01-15 23:52 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 0/5] Add non-blocking ring Gage Eads
2019-01-15 23:52 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 1/5] ring: change head and tail to pointer-width size Gage Eads
2019-01-15 23:52 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 2/5] ring: add a non-blocking implementation Gage Eads
2019-01-15 23:52 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 3/5] test_ring: add non-blocking ring autotest Gage Eads
2019-01-15 23:52 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 4/5] test_ring_perf: add non-blocking ring perf test Gage Eads
2019-01-15 23:52 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 5/5] mempool/ring: add non-blocking ring handlers Gage Eads
2019-01-16 0:26 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 0/5] Add non-blocking ring Stephen Hemminger
2019-01-18 15:23 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 " Gage Eads
2019-01-18 15:23 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 1/5] ring: add 64-bit headtail structure Gage Eads
2019-01-18 15:23 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 2/5] ring: add a non-blocking implementation Gage Eads
2019-01-22 10:12 ` Ola Liljedahl
2019-01-22 14:49 ` Ola Liljedahl
2019-01-22 21:31 ` Eads, Gage
2019-01-23 10:16 ` Ola Liljedahl
2019-01-25 17:21 ` Eads, Gage
2019-01-28 10:35 ` Ola Liljedahl
2019-01-28 18:54 ` Eads, Gage
2019-01-28 22:31 ` Ola Liljedahl
2019-01-28 13:34 ` Jerin Jacob Kollanukkaran
2019-01-28 13:43 ` Ola Liljedahl
2019-01-28 14:04 ` Jerin Jacob Kollanukkaran
2019-01-28 14:06 ` Ola Liljedahl
2019-01-28 18:59 ` Eads, Gage
2019-01-18 15:23 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 3/5] test_ring: add non-blocking ring autotest Gage Eads
2019-01-18 15:23 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 4/5] test_ring_perf: add non-blocking ring perf test Gage Eads
2019-01-18 15:23 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 5/5] mempool/ring: add non-blocking ring handlers Gage Eads
2019-01-22 9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 0/5] Add non-blocking ring Ola Liljedahl
2019-01-22 10:15 ` Ola Liljedahl
2019-01-22 19:15 ` Eads, Gage
2019-01-23 16:02 ` Jerin Jacob Kollanukkaran
2019-01-23 16:29 ` Ola Liljedahl
2019-01-28 13:10 ` [dpdk-dev] [EXT] " Jerin Jacob Kollanukkaran
2019-01-25 5:20 ` [dpdk-dev] " Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-01-25 17:42 ` Eads, Gage
2019-01-25 17:56 ` Eads, Gage
2019-01-28 10:41 ` Ola Liljedahl
2019-01-28 18:14 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 " Gage Eads
2019-01-28 18:14 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 1/5] ring: add 64-bit headtail structure Gage Eads
2019-01-29 12:56 ` Ola Liljedahl
2019-01-30 4:26 ` Eads, Gage
2019-01-28 18:14 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 2/5] ring: add a non-blocking implementation Gage Eads
2019-01-28 18:14 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 3/5] test_ring: add non-blocking ring autotest Gage Eads
2019-01-28 18:14 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 4/5] test_ring_perf: add non-blocking ring perf test Gage Eads
2019-01-28 18:14 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 5/5] mempool/ring: add non-blocking ring handlers Gage Eads
2019-03-05 17:40 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 0/6] Add lock-free ring and mempool handler Gage Eads
2019-03-05 17:40 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 1/6] ring: add a pointer-width headtail structure Gage Eads
2019-03-05 17:40 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 2/6] ring: add a ring start marker Gage Eads
2019-03-05 17:40 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 3/6] ring: add a lock-free implementation Gage Eads
2019-03-05 17:40 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 4/6] test_ring: add lock-free ring autotest Gage Eads
2019-03-05 17:40 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 5/6] test_ring_perf: add lock-free ring perf test Gage Eads
2019-03-05 17:40 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 6/6] mempool/ring: add lock-free ring handlers Gage Eads
2019-03-06 15:03 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 0/6] Add lock-free ring and mempool handler Gage Eads
2019-03-06 15:03 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 1/6] ring: add a pointer-width headtail structure Gage Eads
2019-03-06 15:03 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 2/6] ring: add a ring start marker Gage Eads
2019-03-06 15:03 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 3/6] ring: add a lock-free implementation Gage Eads
2019-03-06 15:03 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 4/6] test_ring: add lock-free ring autotest Gage Eads
2019-03-06 15:03 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 5/6] test_ring_perf: add lock-free ring perf test Gage Eads
2019-03-06 15:03 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 6/6] mempool/ring: add lock-free ring handlers Gage Eads
2019-03-18 21:35 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 0/6] Add lock-free ring and mempool handler Gage Eads
2019-03-18 21:35 ` Gage Eads
2019-03-18 21:35 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 1/6] ring: add a pointer-width headtail structure Gage Eads
2019-03-18 21:35 ` Gage Eads
2019-03-18 21:35 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 2/6] ring: add a ring start marker Gage Eads
2019-03-18 21:35 ` Gage Eads
2019-03-18 21:35 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 3/6] ring: add a lock-free implementation Gage Eads
2019-03-18 21:35 ` Gage Eads
2019-03-19 15:50 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-03-19 15:50 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-03-18 21:35 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 4/6] test_ring: add lock-free ring autotest Gage Eads
2019-03-18 21:35 ` Gage Eads
2019-03-18 21:35 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 5/6] test_ring_perf: add lock-free ring perf test Gage Eads
2019-03-18 21:35 ` Gage Eads
2019-03-18 21:35 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 6/6] mempool/ring: add lock-free ring handlers Gage Eads
2019-03-18 21:35 ` Gage Eads
2019-03-18 21:49 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 0/6] Add lock-free ring and mempool handler Eads, Gage
2019-03-18 21:49 ` Eads, Gage
2019-03-19 15:51 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-03-19 15:51 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-04-01 19:23 ` Eads, Gage [this message]
2019-04-01 19:23 ` Eads, Gage
2019-04-02 10:16 ` Ola Liljedahl
2019-04-02 10:16 ` Ola Liljedahl
2019-04-04 22:28 ` Eads, Gage
2019-04-04 22:28 ` Eads, Gage
2019-03-19 1:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 " Gage Eads
2019-03-19 1:20 ` Gage Eads
2019-03-19 1:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 1/6] ring: add a pointer-width headtail structure Gage Eads
2019-03-19 1:20 ` Gage Eads
2019-03-19 1:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 2/6] ring: add a ring start marker Gage Eads
2019-03-19 1:20 ` Gage Eads
2019-03-19 1:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 3/6] ring: add a lock-free implementation Gage Eads
2019-03-19 1:20 ` Gage Eads
2019-03-19 1:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 4/6] test_ring: add lock-free ring autotest Gage Eads
2019-03-19 1:20 ` Gage Eads
2019-03-19 1:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 5/6] test_ring_perf: add lock-free ring perf test Gage Eads
2019-03-19 1:20 ` Gage Eads
2019-03-19 1:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 6/6] mempool/ring: add lock-free ring handlers Gage Eads
2019-03-19 1:20 ` Gage Eads
2019-04-03 16:46 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 0/6] Add lock-free ring and mempool handler Thomas Monjalon
2019-04-03 16:46 ` Thomas Monjalon
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