From: Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org>
To: Honnappa Nagarahalli <Honnappa.Nagarahalli@arm.com>,
Ray Kinsella <mdr@ashroe.eu>, "dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>,
Kevin Traynor <ktraynor@redhat.com>,
"techboard@dpdk.org" <techboard@dpdk.org>
Cc: nd <nd@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] DPDK ABI/API Stability
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 10:43:10 +0100 [thread overview]
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Message-ID: <20190410094310.ad189_TZugjFfy-lMeENJUKRQyQl1CC9q3aFcMKFQ2A@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <VE1PR08MB51494320762A95F46C118B61982E0@VE1PR08MB5149.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com>
On Wed, 2019-04-10 at 05:14 +0000, Honnappa Nagarahalli wrote:
> > I guess the short story is that DPDK ABI hasn't really settled down
> > as the
> > project has matured. If you take a look at the “Backward Compat.”
> > column which measures ABI compatibility compared to the previous
> > releases, you will see significant churn in the ABI over successive
> > releases
> > since v16.04.
> >
> > Now compare DPDK to GStreamer as an example of a very mature
> > project
> > with a similar intent, a framework for building applications, and
> > which
> > enjoys a very stable API.
> >
> > https://abi-laboratory.pro/index.php?view=timeline&l=gstreamer
> >
> >
> > The DPDK ABI churn has the following affects for users:-
> >
> > 1. The churn obliges users of DPDK to commit to a constant re-
> > integration
> > and re-validation effort for new versions of DPDK. This effort from
> > their
> > perspective may not add value to their consuming project,
> > particular if
> > they are only updating to "stay current".
>
> Even if the ABI did not change, any claim of support with newer
> version needs re-validation. I think, re-integration is the only
> extra effort.
From first-hand experience: re-integration and re-validation are
different in scope and resource requirements.
Validation is usually done by the QA group, and usually doesn't cover
just one library that makes up a part of a product. In other words,
whether the DPDK version changes or not, a new version of a product
will typically undergo full regression testing anyway.
Integration is done by the development group. Any engineering-days that
have to be dedicated to re-integrate a new version of DPDK are
resources taken away from development of new features or bug fixing.
Maintenance costs of OSS components are a sometimes overlooked but
critical part of correctly scoping the opex of a project, and it's
something that product/project managers do look at.
> Why would anyone like to move to newer version just to stay current
> if the newer version does not add any value to them? IMO, this is
> doing work for no benefit.
For many reasons. For example the argument I always use is that while
new version Y might not be needed, new version Z might suddenly become
required for the successful delivery of critical feature A, or to fix
critical bug B.
In my experience, jumping from version X to Y and then Y to Z is always
cheaper and quicker and lower effort than jumping from X to Z, and the
larger the jump, the more work it is.
Another reason is that it's orders of magnitude cheaper to consume
dependencies from the base distribution of choice when building a Linux
product, rather than vendorizing. Doing that has of course drawbacks,
including not being in control of the version of dependencies - so you
don't have a choice, you need to keep up as the base distro moves on.
--
Kind regards,
Luca Boccassi
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-04-10 9:43 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-04-03 15:42 Ray Kinsella
2019-04-03 15:42 ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-03 19:53 ` Luca Boccassi
2019-04-03 19:53 ` Luca Boccassi
2019-04-04 9:29 ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-04-04 9:29 ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-04-04 10:54 ` [dpdk-dev] [dpdk-techboard] " Bruce Richardson
2019-04-04 10:54 ` Bruce Richardson
2019-04-04 12:02 ` Luca Boccassi
2019-04-04 12:02 ` Luca Boccassi
2019-04-04 13:05 ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-04 13:05 ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-04 13:10 ` Bruce Richardson
2019-04-04 13:10 ` Bruce Richardson
2019-04-05 13:25 ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-05 13:25 ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-07 9:37 ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-04-07 9:37 ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-04-04 13:21 ` Luca Boccassi
2019-04-04 13:21 ` Luca Boccassi
2019-04-04 12:52 ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-04 12:52 ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-04 14:07 ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-04-04 14:07 ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-04-07 9:48 ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-04-07 9:48 ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-04-08 9:04 ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-08 9:04 ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-08 10:15 ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-04-08 10:15 ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-04-08 13:00 ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-08 13:00 ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-08 13:38 ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-04-08 13:38 ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-04-08 13:58 ` David Marchand
2019-04-08 13:58 ` David Marchand
2019-04-08 14:02 ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-04-08 14:02 ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-04-08 14:38 ` David Marchand
2019-04-08 14:38 ` David Marchand
2019-04-08 15:13 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-04-08 15:13 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-04-08 15:49 ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-04-08 15:49 ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-04-10 8:35 ` David Marchand
2019-04-10 8:35 ` David Marchand
2019-04-08 15:50 ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-04-08 15:50 ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-04-09 9:42 ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-09 9:42 ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-14 0:42 ` Neil Horman
2019-04-14 0:42 ` Neil Horman
2019-04-15 9:10 ` Bruce Richardson
2019-04-15 9:10 ` Bruce Richardson
2019-04-04 15:51 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-04-04 15:51 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-04-04 16:37 ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-04-04 16:37 ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-04-04 16:56 ` Kevin Traynor
2019-04-04 16:56 ` Kevin Traynor
2019-04-04 19:08 ` Wiles, Keith
2019-04-04 19:08 ` Wiles, Keith
2019-04-04 20:13 ` Kevin Traynor
2019-04-04 20:13 ` Kevin Traynor
2019-04-05 13:30 ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-05 13:30 ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-05 13:29 ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-05 13:29 ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-04 9:47 ` [dpdk-dev] " Kevin Traynor
2019-04-04 9:47 ` Kevin Traynor
2019-04-04 13:16 ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-04 13:16 ` Ray Kinsella
2019-04-10 5:14 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-10 5:14 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-10 9:03 ` [dpdk-dev] [dpdk-techboard] " Bruce Richardson
2019-04-10 9:03 ` Bruce Richardson
2019-04-10 9:43 ` Luca Boccassi [this message]
2019-04-10 9:43 ` [dpdk-dev] " Luca Boccassi
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