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From: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
To: Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>
Cc: Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	dev@dpdk.org, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] Please stop using iopl() in DPDK
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 09:42:53 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191028094253.054fbf9c@hermes.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191025064225.GA22917@1wt.eu>

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 08:42:25 +0200
Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu> wrote:

> Hi Andy,
> 
> On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 09:45:56PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> > Hi all-
> > 
> > Supporting iopl() in the Linux kernel is becoming a maintainability
> > problem.  As far as I know, DPDK is the only major modern user of
> > iopl().
> > 
> > After doing some research, DPDK uses direct io port access for only a
> > single purpose: accessing legacy virtio configuration structures.
> > These structures are mapped in IO space in BAR 0 on legacy virtio
> > devices.
> > 
> > There are at least three ways you could avoid using iopl().  Here they
> > are in rough order of quality in my opinion:  
> (...)
> 
> I'm just wondering, why wouldn't we introduce a sys_ioport() syscall
> to perform I/Os in the kernel without having to play at all with iopl()/
> ioperm() ? That would alleviate the need for these large port maps.
> Applications that use outb/inb() usually don't need extreme speeds.
> Each time I had to use them, it was to access a watchdog, a sensor, a
> fan, control a front panel LED, or read/write to NVRAM. Some userland
> drivers possibly don't need much more, and very likely run with
> privileges turned on all the time, so replacing their inb()/outb() calls
> would mostly be a matter of redefining them using a macro to use the
> syscall instead.
> 
> I'd see an API more or less like this :
> 
>   int ioport(int op, u16 port, long val, long *ret);
> 
> <op> would take values such as INB,INW,INL to fill *<ret>, OUTB,OUTW,OUL
> to read from <val>, possibly ORB,ORW,ORL to read, or with <val>, write
> back and return previous value to <ret>, ANDB/W/L, XORB/W/L to do the
> same with and/xor, and maybe a TEST operation to just validate support
> at start time and replace ioperm/iopl so that subsequent calls do not
> need to check for errors. Applications could then replace :
> 
>     ioperm() with ioport(TEST,port,0,0)
>     iopl() with ioport(TEST,0,0,0)
>     outb() with ioport(OUTB,port,val,0)
>     inb() with ({ char val;ioport(INB,port,0,&val);val;})
> 
> ... and so on.
> 
> And then ioperm/iopl can easily be dropped.
> 
> Maybe I'm overlooking something ?
> Willy

DPDK does not want to system calls. It kills performance.
With pure user mode access it can reach > 10 Million Packets/sec
with a system call per packet that drops to 1 Million Packets/sec.

Also, adding new system calls might help in the long term,
but users are often kernels that are at least 5 years behind
upstream.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-10-28 16:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-25  4:45 Andy Lutomirski
2019-10-25  6:42 ` Willy Tarreau
2019-10-25 14:45   ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-10-25 15:03     ` Willy Tarreau
2019-10-27 23:44     ` Maciej W. Rozycki
2019-10-28 16:42   ` Stephen Hemminger [this message]
2019-10-28 18:00     ` Andy Lutomirski
2019-10-28 20:13     ` Willy Tarreau
2019-10-25  7:22 ` David Marchand
2019-10-25 16:13 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-10-25 20:43   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-26  0:27   ` Andy Lutomirski

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