[dpdk-dev] DPDK Release Status Meeting 28/05/2020

[dpdk-dev] DPDK Release Status Meeting 28/05/2020

[Ferruh Yigit]

Minutes 28 May 2020
-------------------

Agenda:
* Release Dates
* Zoom vs Skype
* 20.05 retrospective
* LTS

Participants:
* Arm
* Debian/Microsoft
* Intel
* Mellanox
* NXP
* Red Hat


Release Dates
-------------

* v20.05 is released on Tuesday 26 May
  * https://mails.dpdk.org/archives/dev/2020-May/168769.html
  * https://core.dpdk.org/download/
  * https://doc.dpdk.org/guides/rel_notes/release_20_05.html

  Thanks everyone who contributed.

* v20.08 dates:
  * Proposal/V1:		Friday, 12 June 2020
  * -rc1:			Wednesday, 8 July 2020
  * -rc2:			Monday, 20 July 2020
  * Release:			Tuesday, 4 August 2020

  * Red Hat & Mellanox already sent roadmap, all contributors please send
    roadmap for the release.


Zoom vs Skype
-------------

* Linux foundation is providing zoom accounts and should we switch the meetings
to the Zoom, as done in the regular CI meetings?

  * It seems Skype is not performing well on Linux

  * There can be some limitations using Zoom for some companies

  * jitsi can be an alternative

  * We will give it a try, @John & @Thomas will handle the details and will
    communicate the change

    * In next a few meetings we will keep the Skype open to prevent confusions


20.05 retrospective
-------------------

* We should do regular, weekly, merges from sub-trees.

* Latest gcc support

  * We should have CI support to test latest compiler versions early.

  * Travis ovsbuild has these tests, but we need script to report result
    to patchwork.

* Getting patch late in the release is increasing the risk, what can be done?

* Should we be more strict on the dates, to prevent perception that future
  dates will shift?

* Doc maintainership, this requires some unique skills and @John is doing good
  job but we need additional maintainers to help him.


LTS
---

  * v19.11.3-rc1 will be out next week, need to synchronize the validation
    effort for it

  * v18.11.9-rc1 will have similar schedule




DPDK Release Status Meetings
============================

The DPDK Release Status Meeting is intended for DPDK Committers to discuss
the status of the master tree and sub-trees, and for project managers to
track progress or milestone dates.

The meeting occurs on Thursdays at 8:30 UTC. If you wish to attend just
send an email to "John McNamara <john.mcnamara@intel.com>" for the invite.

Re: [dpdk-dev] DPDK Release Status Meeting 28/05/2020

[Stephen Hemminger]

On Thu, 28 May 2020 16:55:55 +0100
Ferruh Yigit <ferruh.yigit@intel.com> wrote:

> Minutes 28 May 2020
> -------------------
> 
> Agenda:
> * Release Dates
> * Zoom vs Skype
> * 20.05 retrospective
> * LTS
> 
> Participants:
> * Arm
> * Debian/Microsoft
> * Intel
> * Mellanox
> * NXP
> * Red Hat
> 
> 
> Release Dates
> -------------
> 
> * v20.05 is released on Tuesday 26 May
>   * https://mails.dpdk.org/archives/dev/2020-May/168769.html
>   * https://core.dpdk.org/download/
>   * https://doc.dpdk.org/guides/rel_notes/release_20_05.html
> 
>   Thanks everyone who contributed.
> 
> * v20.08 dates:
>   * Proposal/V1:		Friday, 12 June 2020
>   * -rc1:			Wednesday, 8 July 2020
>   * -rc2:			Monday, 20 July 2020
>   * Release:			Tuesday, 4 August 2020
> 
>   * Red Hat & Mellanox already sent roadmap, all contributors please send
>     roadmap for the release.
> 
> 
> Zoom vs Skype
> -------------
> 
> * Linux foundation is providing zoom accounts and should we switch the meetings
> to the Zoom, as done in the regular CI meetings?
> 
>   * It seems Skype is not performing well on Linux
> 
>   * There can be some limitations using Zoom for some companies
> 
>   * jitsi can be an alternative
> 
>   * We will give it a try, @John & @Thomas will handle the details and will
>     communicate the change
> 
>     * In next a few meetings we will keep the Skype open to prevent confusions
> 
> 

Teams on Linux works quite well. Skype is being phased on legacy

Re: [dpdk-dev] DPDK Release Status Meeting 28/05/2020

[Akhil Goyal]

> > Zoom vs Skype
> > -------------
> >
> > * Linux foundation is providing zoom accounts and should we switch the
> meetings
> > to the Zoom, as done in the regular CI meetings?
> >
> >   * It seems Skype is not performing well on Linux
> >
> >   * There can be some limitations using Zoom for some companies
> >
> >   * jitsi can be an alternative
> >
> >   * We will give it a try, @John & @Thomas will handle the details and will
> >     communicate the change
> >
> >     * In next a few meetings we will keep the Skype open to prevent confusions
> >
> >
> 
> Teams on Linux works quite well. Skype is being phased on legacy

+1 for Teams. One option can be Webex if Teams in not appropriate.

Re: [dpdk-dev] DPDK Release Status Meeting 28/05/2020

[Iremonger, Bernard]

Hi Ferruh,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: dev <dev-bounces@dpdk.org> On Behalf Of Ferruh Yigit
> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 4:56 PM
> To: dpdk-dev <dev@dpdk.org>
> Cc: Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net>
> Subject: [dpdk-dev] DPDK Release Status Meeting 28/05/2020
> 
> Minutes 28 May 2020
> -------------------
> 
> Agenda:
> * Release Dates
> * Zoom vs Skype
> * 20.05 retrospective
> * LTS
> 
> Participants:
> * Arm
> * Debian/Microsoft
> * Intel
> * Mellanox
> * NXP
> * Red Hat
> 
> 
> Release Dates
> -------------
> 
> * v20.05 is released on Tuesday 26 May
>   * https://mails.dpdk.org/archives/dev/2020-May/168769.html
>   * https://core.dpdk.org/download/
>   * https://doc.dpdk.org/guides/rel_notes/release_20_05.html
> 
>   Thanks everyone who contributed.
> 
> * v20.08 dates:
>   * Proposal/V1:		Friday, 12 June 2020

Is the merge deadline Friday, 3 July?

>   * -rc1:			Wednesday, 8 July 2020
>   * -rc2:			Monday, 20 July 2020
>   * Release:			Tuesday, 4 August 2020
> 
>   * Red Hat & Mellanox already sent roadmap, all contributors please send
>     roadmap for the release.
> 
> 
> Zoom vs Skype
> -------------
> 
> * Linux foundation is providing zoom accounts and should we switch the
> meetings to the Zoom, as done in the regular CI meetings?
> 
>   * It seems Skype is not performing well on Linux
> 
>   * There can be some limitations using Zoom for some companies
> 
>   * jitsi can be an alternative
> 
>   * We will give it a try, @John & @Thomas will handle the details and will
>     communicate the change
> 
>     * In next a few meetings we will keep the Skype open to prevent
> confusions
> 
> 
> 20.05 retrospective
> -------------------
> 
> * We should do regular, weekly, merges from sub-trees.
> 
> * Latest gcc support
> 
>   * We should have CI support to test latest compiler versions early.
> 
>   * Travis ovsbuild has these tests, but we need script to report result
>     to patchwork.
> 
> * Getting patch late in the release is increasing the risk, what can be done?
> 
> * Should we be more strict on the dates, to prevent perception that future
>   dates will shift?
> 
> * Doc maintainership, this requires some unique skills and @John is doing
> good
>   job but we need additional maintainers to help him.
> 
> 
> LTS
> ---
> 
>   * v19.11.3-rc1 will be out next week, need to synchronize the validation
>     effort for it
> 
>   * v18.11.9-rc1 will have similar schedule
> 
> 
> 
> 
> DPDK Release Status Meetings
> ============================
> 
> The DPDK Release Status Meeting is intended for DPDK Committers to
> discuss the status of the master tree and sub-trees, and for project
> managers to track progress or milestone dates.
> 
> The meeting occurs on Thursdays at 8:30 UTC. If you wish to attend just send
> an email to "John McNamara <john.mcnamara@intel.com>" for the invite.

Regards,

Bernard.

Re: [dpdk-dev] DPDK Release Status Meeting 28/05/2020

[Ferruh Yigit]

On 6/2/2020 12:39 PM, Iremonger, Bernard wrote:
> Hi Ferruh,
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dev <dev-bounces@dpdk.org> On Behalf Of Ferruh Yigit
>> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 4:56 PM
>> To: dpdk-dev <dev@dpdk.org>
>> Cc: Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net>
>> Subject: [dpdk-dev] DPDK Release Status Meeting 28/05/2020
>>
>> Minutes 28 May 2020
>> -------------------
>>
>> Agenda:
>> * Release Dates
>> * Zoom vs Skype
>> * 20.05 retrospective
>> * LTS
>>
>> Participants:
>> * Arm
>> * Debian/Microsoft
>> * Intel
>> * Mellanox
>> * NXP
>> * Red Hat
>>
>>
>> Release Dates
>> -------------
>>
>> * v20.05 is released on Tuesday 26 May
>>   * https://mails.dpdk.org/archives/dev/2020-May/168769.html
>>   * https://core.dpdk.org/download/
>>   * https://doc.dpdk.org/guides/rel_notes/release_20_05.html
>>
>>   Thanks everyone who contributed.
>>
>> * v20.08 dates:
>>   * Proposal/V1:Friday, 12 June 2020
> 
> Is the merge deadline Friday, 3 July?
> 
>>   * -rc1:Wednesday, 8 July 2020

Hi Bernard,

I personally find having the distinction for "merge deadline" and '-rc1" is
confusing. I prefer to follow only -rc1.

The thing to consider is, if -rc1 is 8 July, and you are sending a new version
of the patch on that day, 8 July, I think it is not surprising if the patch
misses the -rc1.
So patch should be at least a few days before the -rc1, to give enough time for
it to be processed. Should we formalize that a few days as "merge deadline" and
explicitly call that day, as said above I don't think so but I don't know what
others think about it.

Roughly, please send your last version of the patch at least 2 work days before
the -rc1. @Thomas, what do you think, is it a fair measurement?

Re: [dpdk-dev] DPDK Release Status Meeting 28/05/2020

[Thomas Monjalon]

02/06/2020 16:23, Ferruh Yigit:
> On 6/2/2020 12:39 PM, Iremonger, Bernard wrote:
> > From: Ferruh Yigit
> >> * v20.08 dates:
> >>   * Proposal/V1:Friday, 12 June 2020
> > 
> > Is the merge deadline Friday, 3 July?
> > 
> >>   * -rc1:Wednesday, 8 July 2020
> 
> Hi Bernard,
> 
> I personally find having the distinction for "merge deadline" and '-rc1" is
> confusing. I prefer to follow only -rc1.
> 
> The thing to consider is, if -rc1 is 8 July, and you are sending a new version
> of the patch on that day, 8 July, I think it is not surprising if the patch
> misses the -rc1.
> So patch should be at least a few days before the -rc1, to give enough time for
> it to be processed. Should we formalize that a few days as "merge deadline" and
> explicitly call that day, as said above I don't think so but I don't know what
> others think about it.
> 
> Roughly, please send your last version of the patch at least 2 work days before
> the -rc1. @Thomas, what do you think, is it a fair measurement?

I won't directly reply about the numbers and commitment.
Yes we need to be strict on dates.
But about when is the last time to have something merged,
I would say it depends and it is based on best effort.
The sooner is the better :-)