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From: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
To: Bruce Richardson <bruce.richardson@intel.com>
Cc: Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net>,
	Ferruh Yigit <ferruh.yigit@intel.com>,
	dev@dpdk.org, arybchenko@solarflare.com,
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Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 02/20] ethdev: allow drivers to return error on close
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2020 07:48:30 -0700
Message-ID: <20200924074830.0dcff4f1@hermes.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200924091246.GA382@bricha3-MOBL.ger.corp.intel.com>

On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 10:12:46 +0100
Bruce Richardson <bruce.richardson@intel.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 12:35:58AM +0200, Thomas Monjalon wrote:
> > 24/09/2020 00:02, Stephen Hemminger:  
> > > On Wed, 23 Sep 2020 23:52:07 +0200
> > > Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net> wrote:
> > >   
> > > > > > > > Yes it is a step in the right direction.
> > > > > > > > Changing the API means adding some error checks in every apps.
> > > > > > > > The reason for not doing is that I did not commit for this task,
> > > > > > > > and I am not the author of the deprecation notice.
> > > > > > > > We can discuss how to follow up once this series is merged.      
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Not sure what application can really do if dev_close fails other than call rte_exit()?      
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > At least, it can show a message to the user.    
> > > > > 
> > > > > Agree, but no code checks return from close() system call now.
> > > > > At least testpmd should be updated; the examples are fine.    
> > > > 
> > > > How do you explicitly silence the static code analyzers?
> > > > Do you recommend adding (void) in front of the call to close()?  
> > > 
> > > Coverity usually gives something like, "return value of foo() is not checked
> > > but checked 10 other places"  
> > 
> > Yes so it should be silenced with (void) or ret =
> >   
> Does coverity still give the warning if the majority of cases don't
> actually check the return value?

It looks like coverity only looks at some functions and if majority is checking.
For example, it never nags about just calling close().

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Thread overview: 201+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-13 22:06 [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 00/20] cleanup ethdev close operation Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-13 22:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 01/20] ethdev: reset device and interrupt pointers on release Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-23 16:41   ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-09-13 22:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 02/20] ethdev: allow drivers to return error on close Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-23 16:41   ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-09-23 20:53     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-23 21:02       ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-09-23 21:06         ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-23 21:47           ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-09-23 21:52             ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-23 22:02               ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-09-23 22:35                 ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-24  9:12                   ` Bruce Richardson
2020-09-24 10:07                     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-24 12:09                       ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-09-24 14:48                     ` Stephen Hemminger [this message]
2020-09-13 22:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 03/20] net/af_packet: release port upon close Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-23 16:41   ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-09-13 22:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 04/20] net/atlantic: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-16 15:14   ` Igor Russkikh
2020-09-23 16:42   ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-09-23 20:50     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-13 22:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 05/20] net/axgbe: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-13 22:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 06/20] net/bonding: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-13 22:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 07/20] net/failsafe: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-23 21:24   ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-13 22:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 08/20] net/iavf: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-13 22:07 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 09/20] net/mlx4: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-13 22:07 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 10/20] net/null: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-23 16:44   ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-09-23 20:47     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-24 21:58       ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-25  8:52         ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-09-25 13:13           ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-13 22:07 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 11/20] net/octeontx: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-13 22:07 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 12/20] net/pcap: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-23 16:44   ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-09-23 20:44     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-24 11:56       ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-09-13 22:07 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 13/20] net/ring: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-14  8:51   ` Bruce Richardson
2020-09-13 22:07 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 14/20] net/softnic: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-14 15:21   ` Dumitrescu, Cristian
2020-09-13 22:07 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 15/20] net/tap: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-13 22:07 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 16/20] ethdev: remove old close behaviour Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-23 16:44   ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-09-23 20:41     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-24 12:00       ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-09-25  4:31     ` Rasesh Mody
2020-09-13 22:07 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 17/20] drivers/net: accept removing device without any port Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-23 16:45   ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-09-27  6:25   ` Xu, Rosen
2020-09-13 22:07 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 18/20] drivers/net: remove redundant MAC addresses freeing Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-23 16:45   ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-09-13 22:07 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 19/20] app/testpmd: reset port status on close notification Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-23 16:45   ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-09-23 20:32     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-24 12:07       ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-09-24 12:17         ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-24 13:06           ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-09-13 22:07 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 20/20] app/testpmd: align behaviour of multi-port detach Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-23 16:44 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 00/20] cleanup ethdev close operation Ferruh Yigit
2020-09-27 23:42 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 00/25] " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-27 23:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 01/25] ethdev: reset device and interrupt pointers on release Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-27 23:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 02/25] ethdev: allow drivers to return error on close Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-28  0:46     ` Xu, Rosen
2020-09-28  9:51     ` Sachin Saxena (OSS)
2020-09-28 18:26     ` [dpdk-dev] [EXT] " Liron Himi
2020-09-27 23:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 03/25] net/af_packet: release port upon close Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-27 23:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 04/25] net/atlantic: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-27 23:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 05/25] net/axgbe: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-27 23:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 06/25] net/bnx2x: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-27 23:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 07/25] net/bonding: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-27 23:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 08/25] net/failsafe: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-27 23:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 09/25] net/mlx4: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-27 23:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 10/25] net/null: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-27 23:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 11/25] net/octeontx: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-27 23:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 12/25] net/pcap: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-27 23:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 13/25] net/qede: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-27 23:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 14/25] net/ring: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-27 23:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 15/25] net/softnic: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-27 23:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 16/25] net/tap: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-27 23:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 17/25] ethdev: remove old close behaviour Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-28 18:25     ` [dpdk-dev] [EXT] " Liron Himi
2020-09-27 23:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 18/25] drivers/net: accept removing device without any port Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-28  0:47     ` Xu, Rosen
2020-09-28  9:54     ` Sachin Saxena (OSS)
2020-09-27 23:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 19/25] drivers/net: check process type in close operation Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-27 23:52     ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-28  0:50     ` Xu, Rosen
2020-09-28  9:55     ` Sachin Saxena (OSS)
2020-09-28 14:57       ` Ajit Khaparde
2020-09-28 18:25     ` [dpdk-dev] [EXT] " Liron Himi
2020-09-28 18:51     ` [dpdk-dev] " Stephen Hemminger
2020-09-28 20:57       ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-27 23:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 20/25] drivers/net: remove redundant MAC addresses freeing Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-27 23:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 21/25] app/testpmd: reset port status on close notification Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-27 23:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 22/25] app/testpmd: align behaviour of multi-port detach Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-27 23:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 23/25] ethdev: remove forcing stopped state upon close Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-27 23:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 24/25] ethdev: reset all when releasing a port Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-27 23:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 25/25] ethdev: allow close function to return an error Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-28 18:24     ` [dpdk-dev] [EXT] " Liron Himi
2020-09-28 23:14 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 00/29] cleanup ethdev close operation Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-28 23:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 01/29] ethdev: reset device and interrupt pointers on release Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-29 10:52     ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-09-28 23:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 02/29] ethdev: allow drivers to return error on close Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-29  2:16     ` Wang, Haiyue
2020-09-29  5:56     ` Guo, Jia
2020-09-29 10:53     ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-09-30 12:12       ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-09-28 23:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 03/29] net/af_packet: release port upon close Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-28 23:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 04/29] net/atlantic: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-28 23:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 05/29] net/axgbe: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-28 23:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 06/29] net/bnx2x: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-28 23:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 07/29] net/bonding: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-28 23:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 08/29] net/dpaa: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-29  4:53     ` Hemant Agrawal
2020-09-28 23:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 09/29] net/dpaa2: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-29  4:53     ` Hemant Agrawal
2020-09-28 23:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 10/29] net/enetc: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-28 23:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 11/29] net/failsafe: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-05 10:19     ` Gaëtan Rivet
2020-09-28 23:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 12/29] net/mlx4: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-28 23:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 13/29] net/null: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-29 16:47     ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-09-28 23:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 14/29] net/octeontx: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-28 23:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 15/29] net/pcap: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-29 16:49     ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-09-28 23:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 16/29] net/pfe: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-28 23:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 17/29] net/qede: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-28 23:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 18/29] net/ring: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-28 23:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 19/29] net/softnic: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-28 23:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 20/29] net/tap: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-30  8:34     ` wangyunjian
2020-09-28 23:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 21/29] ethdev: remove old close behaviour Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-29  2:27     ` Wang, Haiyue
2020-09-29  5:55     ` Guo, Jia
2020-09-29 10:38     ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-09-29 17:08     ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-09-28 23:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 22/29] drivers/net: accept removing device without any port Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-28 23:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 23/29] drivers/net: check process type in close operation Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-29  2:39     ` Wang, Haiyue
2020-09-29  5:53     ` Guo, Jia
2020-09-29 10:42     ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-09-28 23:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 24/29] drivers/net: remove redundant MAC addresses freeing Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-28 23:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 25/29] app/testpmd: reset port status on close notification Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-30 12:15     ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-09-28 23:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 26/29] app/testpmd: align behaviour of multi-port detach Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-30 12:17     ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-09-28 23:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 27/29] ethdev: remove forcing stopped state upon close Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-29 10:44     ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-09-29 16:01     ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-09-29 16:06       ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-29 16:39         ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-09-28 23:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 28/29] ethdev: reset all when releasing a port Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-29  2:34     ` Wang, Haiyue
2020-09-29  5:51     ` Guo, Jia
2020-09-29 10:26     ` Maxime Coquelin
2020-09-29 10:36       ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-29 11:58         ` Wang, Haiyue
2020-09-29 15:50           ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-09-29 16:02             ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-29 16:35               ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-09-30 12:17                 ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-09-29 10:50     ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-09-28 23:14   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 29/29] ethdev: allow close function to return an error Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-29 11:05     ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-09-29 11:47       ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-09-29 11:54         ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-09-28 23:33   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 00/29] cleanup ethdev close operation Stephen Hemminger
2020-09-30 12:22   ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-10-05 17:08 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 0/3] " Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-05 17:08   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 1/3] ethdev: remove forcing stopped state upon close Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-05 17:08   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 2/3] ethdev: reset all when releasing a port Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-05 17:08   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 3/3] ethdev: allow close function to return an error Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-06  9:43     ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-10-06 10:57       ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-13  8:40         ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-13  8:55           ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-13  9:33             ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-10-13 10:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 0/3] cleanup ethdev close operation Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-13 10:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 1/3] ethdev: remove forcing stopped state upon close Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-13 12:36     ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-10-13 12:49       ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-13 12:45     ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-10-13 12:51       ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-13 17:54         ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-10-13 17:59           ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-13 10:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 2/3] ethdev: reset all when releasing a port Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-13 13:10     ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-10-13 10:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 3/3] ethdev: allow close function to return an error Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-13 10:41     ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-13 10:43       ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-13 13:10     ` Ferruh Yigit
2020-10-16 13:32 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 0/3] cleanup ethdev close operation Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-16 13:32   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 1/3] ethdev: remove forcing stopped state upon close Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-16 13:32   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 2/3] ethdev: reset all when releasing a port Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-16 15:21     ` Ajit Khaparde
2020-10-16 13:32   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 3/3] ethdev: allow close function to return an error Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-16 17:55   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 0/3] cleanup ethdev close operation Ferruh Yigit
2020-10-20 12:24     ` Bruce Richardson

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