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From: Tyler Retzlaff <roretzla@linux.microsoft.com>
To: "Kinsella, Ray" <mdr@ashroe.eu>
Cc: dev@dpdk.org, ferruh.yigit@intel.com, thomas@monjalon.net,
	david.marchand@redhat.com, stephen@networkplumber.org
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v1] doc: policy on promotion of experimental APIs
Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2021 12:56:17 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20210630195617.GA24715@linuxonhyperv3.guj3yctzbm1etfxqx2vob5hsef.xx.internal.cloudapp.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46fa9dec-cee0-ba7f-13a0-11ee42419ee5@ashroe.eu>

On Tue, Jun 29, 2021 at 07:38:05PM +0100, Kinsella, Ray wrote:
> 
> 
> >> +Promotion to stable
> >> +~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> >> +
> >> +Ordinarily APIs marked as ``experimental`` will be promoted to the stable API
> >> +once a maintainer and/or the original contributor is satisfied that the API is
> >> +reasonably mature. In exceptional circumstances, should an API still be
> > 
> > this seems vague and arbitrary. is there a way we can have a more
> > quantitative metric for what "reasonably mature" means.
> > 
> >> +classified as ``experimental`` after two years and is without any prospect of
> >> +becoming part of the stable API. The API will then become a candidate for
> >> +removal, to avoid the acculumation of abandoned symbols.
> > 
> > i think with the above comment the basis for removal then depends on
> > whatever metric is used to determine maturity. 
> > if it is still changing
> > then it seems like it is useful and still evolving so perhaps should not
> > be removed but hasn't changed but doesn't meet the metric for being made
> > stable then perhaps it becomes a candidate for removal.
> 
> Good idea. 
> 
> I think it is reasonable to add a clause that indicates that any change 
> to the "API signature" would reset the clock.

a time based strategy works but i guess the follow-on to that is how is
the clock tracked and how does it get updated? i don't think trying to
troll through git history will be effective.

one nit, i think "api signature" doesn't cover all cases of what i would
regard as change. i would prefer to define it as "no change where api/abi
compatibility or semantic change occurred"? which is a lot more strict
but in practice is necessary to support binaries when abi/api is stable.

i.e. if a recompile is necessary with or without code change then it's a
change.

> 
> However equally any changes to the implementation do not reset the clock.
> 
> Would that work?

that works for me.

> 
> > 
> >> +
> >> +The promotion or removal of symbols will typically form part of a conversation
> >> +between the maintainer and the original contributor.
> > 
> > this should extend beyond just symbols. there are other changes that
> > impact the abi where exported symbols don't change. e.g. additions to
> > return values sets.> 
> > thanks for working on this.
> > 

  reply	other threads:[~2021-06-30 19:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-06-29 16:00 Ray Kinsella
2021-06-29 16:28 ` Tyler Retzlaff
2021-06-29 18:38   ` Kinsella, Ray
2021-06-30 19:56     ` Tyler Retzlaff [this message]
2021-07-01  7:56       ` Ferruh Yigit
2021-07-01 14:45         ` Tyler Retzlaff
2021-07-01 10:19       ` Kinsella, Ray
2021-07-01 15:09         ` Tyler Retzlaff
2021-07-02  6:30           ` Kinsella, Ray
2021-07-01 10:31 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2] " Ray Kinsella
2021-07-01 10:38 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3] doc: policy on the " Ray Kinsella
2021-07-07 18:32   ` Tyler Retzlaff
2021-07-09  6:16   ` Jerin Jacob
2021-07-09 19:15     ` Tyler Retzlaff
2021-07-11  7:22       ` Jerin Jacob
2021-08-03 14:12         ` Kinsella, Ray
2021-08-03 16:44 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4] " Ray Kinsella
2021-08-04  9:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5] " Ray Kinsella
2021-08-04 10:39   ` Thomas Monjalon
2021-08-04 11:49     ` Kinsella, Ray

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