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From: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
To: "Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>
Cc: "Mattias Rönnblom" <hofors@lysator.liu.se>,
	"Mattias Rönnblom" <mattias.ronnblom@ericsson.com>,
	dev@dpdk.org, "Heng Wang" <heng.wang@ericsson.com>,
	"Tyler Retzlaff" <roretzla@linux.microsoft.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC v7 3/6] eal: add exactly-once bit access functions
Date: Wed, 8 May 2024 08:15:30 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240508081530.5d5c5d25@hermes.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <98CBD80474FA8B44BF855DF32C47DC35E9F428@smartserver.smartshare.dk>

On Wed, 8 May 2024 09:33:43 +0200
Morten Brørup <mb@smartsharesystems.com> wrote:

> > What more specifically did you have in mind? READ_ONCE() and
> > WRITE_ONCE()? They give almost no guarantees. Very much relaxed.  
> 
> The way I read it, they do provide memory ordering guarantees.
> 
> Ignore that the kernel's "once" functions operates on words and this RFC operates on bits, the behavior is the same. Either there are memory ordering guarantees, or there are not.

The kernel's READ_ONCE/WRITE_ONCE are compiler only ordering, i.e only apply to single CPU.
RTFM memory-barriers.txt..

GUARANTEES
----------

There are some minimal guarantees that may be expected of a CPU:

 (*) On any given CPU, dependent memory accesses will be issued in order, with
     respect to itself.  This means that for:

	Q = READ_ONCE(P); D = READ_ONCE(*Q);

     the CPU will issue the following memory operations:

	Q = LOAD P, D = LOAD *Q

     and always in that order.  However, on DEC Alpha, READ_ONCE() also
     emits a memory-barrier instruction, so that a DEC Alpha CPU will
     instead issue the following memory operations:

	Q = LOAD P, MEMORY_BARRIER, D = LOAD *Q, MEMORY_BARRIER

     Whether on DEC Alpha or not, the READ_ONCE() also prevents compiler
     mischief.

 (*) Overlapping loads and stores within a particular CPU will appear to be
     ordered within that CPU.  This means that for:

	a = READ_ONCE(*X); WRITE_ONCE(*X, b);

     the CPU will only issue the following sequence of memory operations:

	a = LOAD *X, STORE *X = b

     And for:

	WRITE_ONCE(*X, c); d = READ_ONCE(*X);

     the CPU will only issue:

	STORE *X = c, d = LOAD *X

     (Loads and stores overlap if they are targeted at overlapping pieces of
     memory).

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-05-08 15:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-02 13:53 [RFC 0/7] Improve EAL bit operations API Mattias Rönnblom
2024-03-02 13:53 ` [RFC 1/7] eal: extend bit manipulation functions Mattias Rönnblom
2024-03-02 17:05   ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-03-03  6:26     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-03-04 16:34       ` Tyler Retzlaff
2024-03-05 18:01         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-03-05 18:06           ` Tyler Retzlaff
2024-04-25  8:58   ` [RFC v2 0/6] Improve EAL bit operations API Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-25  8:58     ` [RFC v2 1/6] eal: extend bit manipulation functionality Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-29  9:51       ` [RFC v3 0/6] Improve EAL bit operations API Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-29  9:51         ` [RFC v3 1/6] eal: extend bit manipulation functionality Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-29 11:12           ` Morten Brørup
2024-04-30  9:55           ` [RFC v4 0/6] Improve EAL bit operations API Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-30  9:55             ` [RFC v4 1/6] eal: extend bit manipulation functionality Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-30 12:08               ` [RFC v5 0/6] Improve EAL bit operations API Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-30 12:08                 ` [RFC v5 1/6] eal: extend bit manipulation functionality Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-02  5:57                   ` [RFC v6 0/6] Improve EAL bit operations API Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-02  5:57                     ` [RFC v6 1/6] eal: extend bit manipulation functionality Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-05  8:37                       ` [RFC v7 0/6] Improve EAL bit operations API Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-05  8:37                         ` [RFC v7 1/6] eal: extend bit manipulation functionality Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-05  8:37                         ` [RFC v7 2/6] eal: add unit tests for bit operations Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-05  8:37                         ` [RFC v7 3/6] eal: add exactly-once bit access functions Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-07 19:17                           ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-08  6:47                             ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-08  7:33                               ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-08  8:00                                 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-08  8:11                                   ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-08  9:27                                     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-08 10:08                                       ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-08 15:15                                 ` Stephen Hemminger [this message]
2024-05-08 16:16                                   ` Morten Brørup
2024-05-05  8:37                         ` [RFC v7 4/6] eal: add unit tests for " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-05  8:37                         ` [RFC v7 5/6] eal: add atomic bit operations Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-05  8:37                         ` [RFC v7 6/6] eal: add unit tests for atomic bit access functions Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-02  5:57                     ` [RFC v6 2/6] eal: add unit tests for bit operations Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-02  5:57                     ` [RFC v6 3/6] eal: add exactly-once bit access functions Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-02  5:57                     ` [RFC v6 4/6] eal: add unit tests for " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-02  5:57                     ` [RFC v6 5/6] eal: add atomic bit operations Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-03  6:41                       ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-03 23:30                         ` Tyler Retzlaff
2024-05-04 15:36                           ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-05-02  5:57                     ` [RFC v6 6/6] eal: add unit tests for atomic bit access functions Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-30 12:08                 ` [RFC v5 2/6] eal: add unit tests for bit operations Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-30 12:08                 ` [RFC v5 3/6] eal: add exactly-once bit access functions Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-30 12:08                 ` [RFC v5 4/6] eal: add unit tests for " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-30 12:08                 ` [RFC v5 5/6] eal: add atomic bit operations Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-30 12:08                 ` [RFC v5 6/6] eal: add unit tests for atomic bit access functions Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-30  9:55             ` [RFC v4 2/6] eal: add unit tests for bit operations Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-30  9:55             ` [RFC v4 3/6] eal: add exactly-once bit access functions Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-30  9:55             ` [RFC v4 4/6] eal: add unit tests for " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-30 10:37               ` Morten Brørup
2024-04-30 11:58                 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-30  9:55             ` [RFC v4 5/6] eal: add atomic bit operations Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-30  9:55             ` [RFC v4 6/6] eal: add unit tests for atomic bit access functions Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-29  9:51         ` [RFC v3 2/6] eal: add unit tests for bit operations Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-29  9:51         ` [RFC v3 3/6] eal: add exactly-once bit access functions Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-29  9:51         ` [RFC v3 4/6] eal: add unit tests for " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-29  9:51         ` [RFC v3 5/6] eal: add atomic bit operations Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-29  9:51         ` [RFC v3 6/6] eal: add unit tests for atomic bit access functions Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-25  8:58     ` [RFC v2 2/6] eal: add unit tests for bit operations Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-25  8:58     ` [RFC v2 3/6] eal: add exactly-once bit access functions Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-25  8:58     ` [RFC v2 4/6] eal: add unit tests for " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-25  8:58     ` [RFC v2 5/6] eal: add atomic bit operations Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-25 10:25       ` Morten Brørup
2024-04-25 14:36         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-25 16:18           ` Morten Brørup
2024-04-26  9:39             ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-26 12:00               ` Morten Brørup
2024-04-28 15:37                 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-29  7:24                   ` Morten Brørup
2024-04-30 16:52               ` Tyler Retzlaff
2024-04-25  8:58     ` [RFC v2 6/6] eal: add unit tests for atomic bit access functions Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-25 18:05     ` [RFC v2 0/6] Improve EAL bit operations API Tyler Retzlaff
2024-04-26 11:17       ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-26 21:35     ` Patrick Robb
2024-03-02 13:53 ` [RFC 2/7] eal: add generic bit manipulation macros Mattias Rönnblom
2024-03-04  8:16   ` Heng Wang
2024-03-04 15:41     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-03-04 16:42   ` Tyler Retzlaff
2024-03-05 18:08     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-03-05 18:22       ` Tyler Retzlaff
2024-03-05 20:02         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-03-05 20:53           ` Tyler Retzlaff
2024-03-02 13:53 ` [RFC 3/7] eal: add bit manipulation functions which read or write once Mattias Rönnblom
2024-03-02 13:53 ` [RFC 4/7] eal: add generic once-type bit operations macros Mattias Rönnblom
2024-03-02 13:53 ` [RFC 5/7] eal: add atomic bit operations Mattias Rönnblom
2024-03-02 13:53 ` [RFC 6/7] eal: add generic " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-03-02 13:53 ` [RFC 7/7] eal: deprecate relaxed family of " Mattias Rönnblom
2024-03-02 17:07   ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-03-03  6:30     ` Mattias Rönnblom

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