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From: Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net>
To: "Van Haaren, Harry" <harry.van.haaren@intel.com>
Cc: dev@dpdk.org, 'Jerin Jacob' <jerin.jacob@caviumnetworks.com>,
	"Wiles, Keith" <keith.wiles@intel.com>,
	"Richardson, Bruce" <bruce.richardson@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] Service lcores and Application lcores
Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2017 11:29:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2363216.DczB0HHKeo@xps> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E923DB57A917B54B9182A2E928D00FA640C343DB@IRSMSX102.ger.corp.intel.com>

30/06/2017 10:52, Van Haaren, Harry:
> From: Thomas Monjalon [mailto:thomas@monjalon.net]
> > 29/06/2017 18:35, Van Haaren, Harry:
> > > 3) The problem;
> > >    If a service core runs the SW PMD schedule() function (option 2) *AND*
> > >    the application lcore runs schedule() func (option 1), the result is that
> > >    two threads are concurrently running a multi-thread unsafe function.
> > 
> > Which function is multi-thread unsafe?
> 
> With the current design, the service-callback does not have to be multi-thread safe.
> For example, the eventdev SW PMD is not multi-thread safe.
> 
> The service library handles serializing access to the service-callback if multiple cores
> are mapped to that service. This keeps the atomic complexity in one place, and keeps
> services as light-weight to implement as possible.
> 
> (We could consider forcing all service-callbacks to be multi-thread safe by using atomics,
> but we would not be able to optimize away the atomic cmpset if it is not required. This
> feels heavy handed, and would cause useless atomic ops to execute.)

OK thank you for the detailed explanation.

> > Why the same function would be run by the service and by the scheduler?
> 
> The same function can be run concurrently by the application, and a service core.
> The root cause that this could happen is that an application can *think* it is the
> only one running threads, but in reality one or more service-cores may be running
> in the background.
> 
> The service lcores and application lcores existence without knowledge of the others
> behavior is the cause of concurrent running of the multi-thread unsafe service function.

That's the part I still don't understand.
Why an application would run a function on its own core if it is already
run as a service? Can we just have a check that the service API exists
and that the service is running?

  reply	other threads:[~2017-06-30  9:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-06-29 14:36 Van Haaren, Harry
2017-06-29 15:16 ` Thomas Monjalon
2017-06-29 16:35   ` Van Haaren, Harry
2017-06-29 20:18     ` Thomas Monjalon
2017-06-30  8:52       ` Van Haaren, Harry
2017-06-30  9:29         ` Thomas Monjalon [this message]
2017-06-30 10:18           ` Van Haaren, Harry
2017-06-30 10:38             ` Thomas Monjalon
2017-06-30 11:14               ` Van Haaren, Harry
2017-06-30 13:04                 ` Jerin Jacob
2017-06-30 13:16                   ` Van Haaren, Harry
2017-06-29 15:57 ` Bruce Richardson
2017-06-30  4:45   ` Jerin Jacob
2017-06-30 10:00     ` Van Haaren, Harry
2017-06-30 12:51       ` Jerin Jacob
2017-06-30 13:08         ` Van Haaren, Harry
2017-06-30 13:20           ` Jerin Jacob
2017-06-30 13:24             ` Van Haaren, Harry
2017-06-30 13:51               ` Thomas Monjalon

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