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From: "Ananyev, Konstantin" <konstantin.ananyev@intel.com>
To: "Richardson, Bruce" <bruce.richardson@intel.com>,
	"Burakov, Anatoly" <anatoly.burakov@intel.com>
Cc: "dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>, Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] Should we disallow running secondaries after primary	has died?
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2019 09:50:39 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2601191342CEEE43887BDE71AB9772580168A5BA83@irsmsx105.ger.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190726093951.GA1629@bricha3-MOBL.ger.corp.intel.com>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: dev [mailto:dev-bounces@dpdk.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Richardson
> Sent: Friday, July 26, 2019 10:40 AM
> To: Burakov, Anatoly <anatoly.burakov@intel.com>
> Cc: dev@dpdk.org; Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net>
> Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] Should we disallow running secondaries after primary has died?
> 
> On Fri, Jul 26, 2019 at 10:05:02AM +0100, Burakov, Anatoly wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > While investigating this bug:
> >
> > https://bugs.dpdk.org/show_bug.cgi?id=284
> >
> > I came across a realization that, when primary process dies, very little
> > actually works. There are some documented issues that are already present
> > when secondary processes keep running, like memory map becoming static, and
> > hotplug not working any more.
> >
> > What is less known (and documented) is that VFIO also completely stops
> > working when initializing processes, because some time since 18.xx releases,
> > we've fixed a long standing VFIO-related bug that had to do with creating
> > new containers every time a secondary is run - secondary processes will now
> > reuse the primary process's container instead.
> >
> > Meaning, for VFIO devices, secondary process *initialization* will fail
> > after primary process has died, because there is no longer a process from
> > which we can get the VFIO container from. Things will still sort-of work
> > with igb_uio or in vfio-noiommu mode, but again - no memory map updates, no
> > hotplug, potentially other things that i don't even know about.
> >
> > Therefore, while ideally we would like people to have primary process always
> > running, the least we can do to avoid documenting a complex matrix of "what
> > is supported in which case" is to disallow secondary process initialization
> > after primary process has died.
> >
> > ("disallow" as in "explicitly document it as unsupported", although we can
> > also outright prevent it if we want - rte_eal_primary_proc_alive() will tell
> > us that)
> >
> Documenting this limitation seems a good thing to do. I'm not sure that
> it's worthwhile trying to make the scenario (of running a secondary after a
> primary has terminated) supported.
> 
> /Bruce

NP to disallow it.
In fact, I think it would be easier for everyone just to drop current DPDK MP model,
and keep just standalone DPDK instances.  



  reply	other threads:[~2019-07-26  9:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-07-26  9:05 Burakov, Anatoly
2019-07-26  9:39 ` Bruce Richardson
2019-07-26  9:50   ` Ananyev, Konstantin [this message]
2019-07-26  9:53     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-07-26 15:01       ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-07-26 15:44         ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-07-26 15:56           ` Lipiec, Herakliusz
2019-07-26 16:02             ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-07-26 16:44               ` Lipiec, Herakliusz
2019-07-26 16:57                 ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-07-26 17:33                   ` Lipiec, Herakliusz

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