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From: "Ananyev, Konstantin" <konstantin.ananyev@intel.com>
To: "Ruifeng Wang (Arm Technology China)" <Ruifeng.Wang@arm.com>,
	"Kantecki, Tomasz" <tomasz.kantecki@intel.com>
Cc: "dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>,
	"Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China)" <Gavin.Hu@arm.com>,
	Honnappa Nagarahalli <Honnappa.Nagarahalli@arm.com>,
	nd <nd@arm.com>, nd <nd@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 0/2] add lock-free mode for l3fwd
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2019 09:06:21 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2601191342CEEE43887BDE71AB977258019196218E@irsmsx105.ger.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AM0PR08MB39866F5D1B84DCBFC3FD1DD79EB70@AM0PR08MB3986.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com>



> >
> > >
> > > Lock-free mode is supported by hash library and LPM library.
> > > Now we add an option for l3fwd example to enable the lock-free mode.
> > > Necessary preparation steps are added to use lock-free LPM mode.
> >
> > Can I ask about the purpose of these changes?
> > Right now in  l3fwd both lpm and hash tables are static and hard-coded.
> > we initialize them at startup and then just do read from them.
> > Do you plan to enhance l3fwd with ability to dynamically update tables
> > contents?
> > Though fir that we first have to get rid of hard-coded values (config file or so).
> > Konstantin
> >
> Thanks for your questions.
> Currently, we have no plan to enhance l3fwd with ability to dynamically update table contents.
> Lock-free method is being integrated into Hash library and LPM library.  Lock-free algorithms
> are not only about control plane (adding or deleting routes), they affect the data path performance
> as well.
> Since l3fwd application is showcasing data path performance, we need to show the impact of
> including the quiescent state reporting on data path.
> This change also serves as an example of using the RCU APIs.


But what you suggest doesn't provide the complete picture.
With dynamic updates in place (via control path) the data-path impact might
be completely different then without.
Again without dynamic updates how can you test that your data-path lock-free
approach does work as expected?
Also it can't even be used as a reference implementation for users,
as half of the functionality they need to implement is simply missing.
My opinion - we either need to leave l3fwd as it is (static routes),
or implement a proper control path with ability to dynamically update routes
before starting to introduce some synchronization schemes (RCU or whatever). 

Konstantin

> 
> > >
> > > Patch 2/2 has dependency on RCU QSBR integration with LPM library:
> > > http://patches.dpdk.org/project/dpdk/list/?series=6288
> > >
> > >
> > > Ruifeng Wang (2):
> > >   examples/l3fwd: add lock-free option for l3fwd
> > >   examples/l3fwd: integrate RCU QSBR for LPM mode
> > >
> > >  doc/guides/sample_app_ug/l3_forward.rst |  3 ++
> > >  examples/l3fwd/Makefile                 |  1 +
> > >  examples/l3fwd/l3fwd.h                  |  4 +-
> > >  examples/l3fwd/l3fwd_em.c               | 10 +++-
> > >  examples/l3fwd/l3fwd_lpm.c              | 72 +++++++++++++++++++++++--
> > >  examples/l3fwd/main.c                   | 27 ++++++++--
> > >  examples/l3fwd/meson.build              |  1 +
> > >  7 files changed, 108 insertions(+), 10 deletions(-)
> > >
> > > --
> > > 2.17.1


  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-09-10  9:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-09-06 10:26 Ruifeng Wang
2019-09-06 10:26 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 1/2] examples/l3fwd: add lock-free option " Ruifeng Wang
2019-09-06 10:26 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 2/2] examples/l3fwd: integrate RCU QSBR for LPM mode Ruifeng Wang
2019-09-06 10:35 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 0/2] add lock-free mode for l3fwd Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-09-09  1:52   ` Ruifeng Wang (Arm Technology China)
2019-09-09 22:45     ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-09-10  6:25       ` Ruifeng Wang (Arm Technology China)
2019-09-11  5:32         ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-09-11  6:18           ` Ruifeng Wang (Arm Technology China)
2019-09-10  9:06     ` Ananyev, Konstantin [this message]
2019-09-10  9:56       ` Ruifeng Wang (Arm Technology China)
2019-09-11  5:38         ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-09-11  6:58           ` Ruifeng Wang (Arm Technology China)
2019-09-11  8:35             ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-09-16  2:30               ` Ruifeng Wang (Arm Technology China)
2019-11-06 14:03                 ` David Marchand
2019-11-11  5:19                   ` Ruifeng Wang (Arm Technology China)
2019-09-06 17:28 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-09-09  2:38   ` Ruifeng Wang (Arm Technology China)
2019-09-10 16:27     ` Honnappa Nagarahalli

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