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From: "Ananyev, Konstantin" <konstantin.ananyev@intel.com>
To: "Nélio Laranjeiro" <nelio.laranjeiro@6wind.com>,
	"Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>
Cc: "Wiles, Keith" <keith.wiles@intel.com>,
	"Richardson, Bruce" <bruce.richardson@intel.com>,
	"dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>,
	Olivier Matz <olivier.matz@6wind.com>,
	"Lu, Wenzhuo" <wenzhuo.lu@intel.com>,
	"Adrien Mazarguil" <adrien.mazarguil@6wind.com>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH] net: introduce big and little endian types
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 17:00:05 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2601191342CEEE43887BDE71AB9772583F0E4AC3@irsmsx105.ger.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20161206162807.GS21794@autoinstall.dev.6wind.com>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nélio Laranjeiro [mailto:nelio.laranjeiro@6wind.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 6, 2016 4:28 PM
> To: Morten Brørup <mb@smartsharesystems.com>
> Cc: Wiles, Keith <keith.wiles@intel.com>; Ananyev, Konstantin <konstantin.ananyev@intel.com>; Richardson, Bruce
> <bruce.richardson@intel.com>; dev@dpdk.org; Olivier Matz <olivier.matz@6wind.com>; Lu, Wenzhuo <wenzhuo.lu@intel.com>; Adrien
> Mazarguil <adrien.mazarguil@6wind.com>
> Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH] net: introduce big and little endian types
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> On Tue, Dec 06, 2016 at 04:34:07PM +0100, Morten Brørup wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Being a big fan of strong typing, I really like the concept of
> > explicit endian types. Especially if type mismatches can be caught at
> > compile time.
> 
> +1,
> 
> > However, I think it is too late! That train left the station when the
> > rest of the world - including libraries and headers that might be
> > linked with a DPDK application - decided to use implicit big endian
> > types for network protocols, and has been doing so for decades. And,
> > with all respect, I don't think the DPDK community has the momentum
> > required to change this tradition outside the community.
> 
> I don't think, those types can be use from now on to help new API to
> expose explicitly the type they are handling.  For older ones, it can
> come in a second step, even if there are not so numerous.  Only few of
> them touches the network types.
> 
> > Furthermore: If not enforced throughout DPDK (and beyond), it might
> > confuse more than it helps.
> 
> The current situation is more confusing,  nobody at any layer can rely
> on a precise information, at each function entry we need to verify if
> the callee has already handled the job.  The only solution is to browse
> the code to have this information.
> 
> Think about any function manipulating network headers (like flow director
> or rte_flow) from the API down to the PMD, it may take a lot of time to
> know at the end if the data is CPU or network ordered, with those types
> it takes less than a second.

Hmm, suppose I have such piece of code:

struct ipv4_hdr iph;
iph.total_length = val0;
iph.packet_id = val1;
...
iph.dst_addr = valn;

hton_whole_ipv4_hdr_at_once(&iph);

How I suppose to indicate via these new types that 
hton_whole_ipv4_hdr_at_once() expects ipv4_hdr fields in host byte order?
Other than just putting it into the doc?
Konstantin

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-12-06 17:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-11-09 15:04 Nelio Laranjeiro
2016-12-05 10:09 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2016-12-05 12:06   ` Nélio Laranjeiro
2016-12-06 11:23     ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2016-12-06 11:55       ` Bruce Richardson
2016-12-06 12:41         ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2016-12-06 13:34           ` Bruce Richardson
2016-12-06 14:45             ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2016-12-06 14:56               ` Wiles, Keith
2016-12-06 15:34                 ` Morten Brørup
2016-12-06 16:28                   ` Nélio Laranjeiro
2016-12-06 16:31                     ` Wiles, Keith
2016-12-06 16:36                       ` Richardson, Bruce
2016-12-06 17:00                     ` Ananyev, Konstantin [this message]
2016-12-06 17:29                       ` Neil Horman
2016-12-06 13:14         ` Nélio Laranjeiro
2016-12-06 13:30           ` Bruce Richardson
2016-12-06 14:06     ` Wiles, Keith
2016-12-08  9:30 ` Nélio Laranjeiro
2016-12-08 13:59   ` Wiles, Keith
2016-12-08 16:06     ` Thomas Monjalon
2016-12-08 15:07   ` Neil Horman
2016-12-08 15:10     ` Ananyev, Konstantin

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