From: Ferruh Yigit <ferruh.yigit@intel.com>
To: Viacheslav Ovsiienko <viacheslavo@nvidia.com>, <dev@dpdk.org>
Cc: <rasland@nvidia.com>, <matan@nvidia.com>, <shahafs@nvidia.com>,
<orika@nvidia.com>, <getelson@nvidia.com>, <thomas@monjalon.net>,
"Andrew Rybchenko" <andrew.rybchenko@oktetlabs.ru>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 0/4] ethdev: introduce configurable flexible item
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2021 18:05:26 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2700f6e3-d346-9f51-2388-97d8b43bc73b@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20211020151457.17577-1-viacheslavo@nvidia.com>
On 10/20/2021 4:14 PM, Viacheslav Ovsiienko wrote:
> 1. Introduction and Retrospective
>
> Nowadays the networks are evolving fast and wide, the network
> structures are getting more and more complicated, the new
> application areas are emerging. To address these challenges
> the new network protocols are continuously being developed,
> considered by technical communities, adopted by industry and,
> eventually implemented in hardware and software. The DPDK
> framework follows the common trends and if we bother
> to glance at the RTE Flow API header we see the multiple
> new items were introduced during the last years since
> the initial release.
>
> The new protocol adoption and implementation process is
> not straightforward and takes time, the new protocol passes
> development, consideration, adoption, and implementation
> phases. The industry tries to mitigate and address the
> forthcoming network protocols, for example, many hardware
> vendors are implementing flexible and configurable network
> protocol parsers. As DPDK developers, could we anticipate
> the near future in the same fashion and introduce the similar
> flexibility in RTE Flow API?
>
> Let's check what we already have merged in our project, and
> we see the nice raw item (rte_flow_item_raw). At the first
> glance, it looks superior and we can try to implement a flow
> matching on the header of some relatively new tunnel protocol,
> say on the GENEVE header with variable length options. And,
> under further consideration, we run into the raw item
> limitations:
>
> - only fixed size network header can be represented
> - the entire network header pattern of fixed format
> (header field offsets are fixed) must be provided
> - the search for patterns is not robust (the wrong matches
> might be triggered), and actually is not supported
> by existing PMDs
> - no explicitly specified relations with preceding
> and following items
> - no tunnel hint support
>
> As the result, implementing the support for tunnel protocols
> like aforementioned GENEVE with variable extra protocol option
> with flow raw item becomes very complicated and would require
> multiple flows and multiple raw items chained in the same
> flow (by the way, there is no support found for chained raw
> items in implemented drivers).
>
> This RFC introduces the dedicated flex item (rte_flow_item_flex)
> to handle matches with existing and new network protocol headers
> in a unified fashion.
>
> 2. Flex Item Life Cycle
>
> Let's assume there are the requirements to support the new
> network protocol with RTE Flows. What is given within protocol
> specification:
>
> - header format
> - header length, (can be variable, depending on options)
> - potential presence of extra options following or included
> in the header the header
> - the relations with preceding protocols. For example,
> the GENEVE follows UDP, eCPRI can follow either UDP
> or L2 header
> - the relations with following protocols. For example,
> the next layer after tunnel header can be L2 or L3
> - whether the new protocol is a tunnel and the header
> is a splitting point between outer and inner layers
>
> The supposed way to operate with flex item:
>
> - application defines the header structures according to
> protocol specification
>
> - application calls rte_flow_flex_item_create() with desired
> configuration according to the protocol specification, it
> creates the flex item object over specified ethernet device
> and prepares PMD and underlying hardware to handle flex
> item. On item creation call PMD backing the specified
> ethernet device returns the opaque handle identifying
> the object has been created
>
> - application uses the rte_flow_item_flex with obtained handle
> in the flows, the values/masks to match with fields in the
> header are specified in the flex item per flow as for regular
> items (except that pattern buffer combines all fields)
>
> - flows with flex items match with packets in a regular fashion,
> the values and masks for the new protocol header match are
> taken from the flex items in the flows
>
> - application destroys flows with flex items
>
> - application calls rte_flow_flex_item_release() as part of
> ethernet device API and destroys the flex item object in
> PMD and releases the engaged hardware resources
>
> 3. Flex Item Structure
>
> The flex item structure is intended to be used as part of the flow
> pattern like regular RTE flow items and provides the mask and
> value to match with fields of the protocol item was configured
> for.
>
> struct rte_flow_item_flex {
> void *handle;
> uint32_t length;
> const uint8_t* pattern;
> };
>
> The handle is some opaque object maintained on per device basis
> by underlying driver.
>
> The protocol header fields are considered as bit fields, all
> offsets and widths are expressed in bits. The pattern is the
> buffer containing the bit concatenation of all the fields
> presented at item configuration time, in the same order and
> same amount. If byte boundary alignment is needed an application
> can use a dummy type field, this is just some kind of gap filler.
>
> The length field specifies the pattern buffer length in bytes
> and is needed to allow rte_flow_copy() operations. The approach
> of multiple pattern pointers and lengths (per field) was
> considered and found clumsy - it seems to be much suitable for
> the application to maintain the single structure within the
> single pattern buffer.
>
> 4. Flex Item Configuration
>
> The flex item configuration consists of the following parts:
>
> - header field descriptors:
> - next header
> - next protocol
> - sample to match
> - input link descriptors
> - output link descriptors
>
> The field descriptors tell the driver and hardware what data should
> be extracted from the packet and then control the packet handling
> in the flow engine. Besides this, sample fields can be presented
> to match with patterns in the flows. Each field is a bit pattern.
> It has width, offset from the header beginning, mode of offset
> calculation, and offset related parameters.
>
> The next header field is special, no data are actually taken
> from the packet, but its offset is used as a pointer to the next
> header in the packet, in other words the next header offset
> specifies the size of the header being parsed by flex item.
>
> There is one more special field - next protocol, it specifies
> where the next protocol identifier is contained and packet data
> sampled from this field will be used to determine the next
> protocol header type to continue packet parsing. The next
> protocol field is like eth_type field in MAC2, or proto field
> in IPv4/v6 headers.
>
> The sample fields are used to represent the data be sampled
> from the packet and then matched with established flows.
>
> There are several methods supposed to calculate field offset
> in runtime depending on configuration and packet content:
>
> - FIELD_MODE_FIXED - fixed offset. The bit offset from
> header beginning is permanent and defined by field_base
> configuration parameter.
>
> - FIELD_MODE_OFFSET - the field bit offset is extracted
> from other header field (indirect offset field). The
> resulting field offset to match is calculated from as:
>
> field_base + (*offset_base & offset_mask) << offset_shift
>
> This mode is useful to sample some extra options following
> the main header with field containing main header length.
> Also, this mode can be used to calculate offset to the
> next protocol header, for example - IPv4 header contains
> the 4-bit field with IPv4 header length expressed in dwords.
> One more example - this mode would allow us to skip GENEVE
> header variable length options.
>
> - FIELD_MODE_BITMASK - the field bit offset is extracted
> from other header field (indirect offset field), the latter
> is considered as bitmask containing some number of one bits,
> the resulting field offset to match is calculated as:
>
> field_base + bitcount(*offset_base & offset_mask) << offset_shift
>
> This mode would be useful to skip the GTP header and its
> extra options with specified flags.
>
> - FIELD_MODE_DUMMY - dummy field, optionally used for byte
> boundary alignment in pattern. Pattern mask and data are
> ignored in the match. All configuration parameters besides
> field size and offset are ignored.
>
> Note: "*" - means the indirect field offset is calculated
> and actual data are extracted from the packet by this
> offset (like data are fetched by pointer *p from memory).
>
> The offset mode list can be extended by vendors according to
> hardware supported options.
>
> The input link configuration section tells the driver after
> what protocols and at what conditions the flex item can follow.
> Input link specified the preceding header pattern, for example
> for GENEVE it can be UDP item specifying match on destination
> port with value 6081. The flex item can follow multiple header
> types and multiple input links should be specified. At flow
> creation time the item with one of the input link types should
> precede the flex item and driver will select the correct flex
> item settings, depending on the actual flow pattern.
>
> The output link configuration section tells the driver how
> to continue packet parsing after the flex item protocol.
> If multiple protocols can follow the flex item header the
> flex item should contain the field with the next protocol
> identifier and the parsing will be continued depending
> on the data contained in this field in the actual packet.
>
> The flex item fields can participate in RSS hash calculation,
> the dedicated flag is present in the field description to specify
> what fields should be provided for hashing.
>
> 5. Flex Item Chaining
>
> If there are multiple protocols supposed to be supported with
> flex items in chained fashion - two or more flex items within
> the same flow and these ones might be neighbors in the pattern,
> it means the flex items are mutual referencing. In this case,
> the item that occurred first should be created with empty
> output link list or with the list including existing items,
> and then the second flex item should be created referencing
> the first flex item as input arc, drivers should adjust
> the item confgiuration.
>
> Also, the hardware resources used by flex items to handle
> the packet can be limited. If there are multiple flex items
> that are supposed to be used within the same flow it would
> be nice to provide some hint for the driver that these two
> or more flex items are intended for simultaneous usage.
> The fields of items should be assigned with hint indices
> and these indices from two or more flex items supposed
> to be provided within the same flow should be the same
> as well. In other words, the field hint index specifies
> the group of fields that can be matched simultaneously
> within a single flow. If hint indices are specified,
> the driver will try to engage not overlapping hardware
> resources and provide independent handling of the field
> groups with unique indices. If the hint index is zero
> the driver assigns resources on its own.
>
> 6. Example of New Protocol Handling
>
> Let's suppose we have the requirements to handle the new tunnel
> protocol that follows UDP header with destination port 0xFADE
> and is followed by MAC header. Let the new protocol header format
> be like this:
>
> struct new_protocol_header {
> rte_be32 header_length; /* length in dwords, including options */
> rte_be32 specific0; /* some protocol data, no intention */
> rte_be32 specific1; /* to match in flows on these fields */
> rte_be32 crucial; /* data of interest, match is needed */
> rte_be32 options[0]; /* optional protocol data, variable length */
> };
>
> The supposed flex item configuration:
>
> struct rte_flow_item_flex_field field0 = {
> .field_mode = FIELD_MODE_DUMMY, /* Affects match pattern only */
> .field_size = 96, /* three dwords from the beginning */
> };
> struct rte_flow_item_flex_field field1 = {
> .field_mode = FIELD_MODE_FIXED,
> .field_size = 32, /* Field size is one dword */
> .field_base = 96, /* Skip three dwords from the beginning */
> };
> struct rte_flow_item_udp spec0 = {
> .hdr = {
> .dst_port = RTE_BE16(0xFADE),
> }
> };
> struct rte_flow_item_udp mask0 = {
> .hdr = {
> .dst_port = RTE_BE16(0xFFFF),
> }
> };
> struct rte_flow_item_flex_link link0 = {
> .item = {
> .type = RTE_FLOW_ITEM_TYPE_UDP,
> .spec = &spec0,
> .mask = &mask0,
> };
>
> struct rte_flow_item_flex_conf conf = {
> .next_header = {
> .tunnel = FLEX_TUNNEL_MODE_SINGLE,
> .field_mode = FIELD_MODE_OFFSET,
> .field_base = 0,
> .offset_base = 0,
> .offset_mask = 0xFFFFFFFF,
> .offset_shift = 2 /* Expressed in dwords, shift left by 2 */
> },
> .sample = {
> &field0,
> &field1,
> },
> .nb_samples = 2,
> .input_link[0] = &link0,
> .nb_inputs = 1
> };
>
> Let's suppose we have created the flex item successfully, and PMD
> returned the handle 0x123456789A. We can use the following item
> pattern to match the crucial field in the packet with value 0x00112233:
>
> struct new_protocol_header spec_pattern =
> {
> .crucial = RTE_BE32(0x00112233),
> };
> struct new_protocol_header mask_pattern =
> {
> .crucial = RTE_BE32(0xFFFFFFFF),
> };
> struct rte_flow_item_flex spec_flex = {
> .handle = 0x123456789A
> .length = sizeiof(struct new_protocol_header),
> .pattern = &spec_pattern,
> };
> struct rte_flow_item_flex mask_flex = {
> .length = sizeof(struct new_protocol_header),
> .pattern = &mask_pattern,
> };
> struct rte_flow_item item_to_match = {
> .type = RTE_FLOW_ITEM_TYPE_FLEX,
> .spec = &spec_flex,
> .mask = &mask_flex,
> };
>
> 7. Notes:
>
> - v7: http://patches.dpdk.org/project/dpdk/patch/20211020150621.16517-2-viacheslavo@nvidia.com/
> - v6: http://patches.dpdk.org/project/dpdk/cover/20211018180252.14106-1-viacheslavo@nvidia.com/
> - v5: http://patches.dpdk.org/project/dpdk/patch/20211012125433.31647-2-viacheslavo@nvidia.com/
> - v4: http://patches.dpdk.org/project/dpdk/patch/20211012113235.24975-2-viacheslavo@nvidia.com/
> - v3: http://patches.dpdk.org/project/dpdk/cover/20211011181528.517-1-viacheslavo@nvidia.com/
> - v2: http://patches.dpdk.org/project/dpdk/patch/20211001193415.23288-2-viacheslavo@nvidia.com/
> - v1: http://patches.dpdk.org/project/dpdk/patch/20210922180418.20663-2-viacheslavo@nvidia.com/
> - RFC: http://patches.dpdk.org/project/dpdk/patch/20210806085624.16497-1-viacheslavo@nvidia.com/
>
> - v7 -> v8:
> - fixed the first commit Author (was ocasionally altered due to resplit)
>
> - v6 -> v7:
> - series resplitted and patches reorderered, code is the same
> - documentation fixes
>
> - v5 -> v6:
> - flex item command moved to dedicated file cmd_flex_item.c
>
> - v4 -> v5:
> - comments addressed
> - testpmd compilation issue fixed
>
> - v3 -> v4:
> - comments addressed
> - testpmd compilation issues fixed
> - typos fixed
>
> - v2 -> v3:
> - comments addressed
> - flex item update removed as not supported
> - RSS over flex item fields removed as not supported and non-complete
> API
> - tunnel mode configuration refactored
> - testpmd updated
> - documentation updated
> - PMD patches are removed temporarily (updating WIP, be presented in rc2)
>
> - v1 -> v2:
> - testpmd CLI to handle flex item is provided
> - draft PMD code is introduced
>
> Signed-off-by: Viacheslav Ovsiienko <viacheslavo@nvidia.com>
>
> Gregory Etelson (3):
> ethdev: support flow elements with variable length
> app/testpmd: add dedicated flow command parsing routine
> app/testpmd: add flex item CLI commands
>
> Viacheslav Ovsiienko (1):
> ethdev: introduce configurable flexible item
>
This is a nice feature but not reviewed throughout by maintainers/community,
I will proceed based on Ori's ack, but perhaps we should discuss this on
release retrospective.
minor meson whitespace issue fixed while merging:
$ ./devtools/check-meson.py
Error: Incorrect indent at app/test-pmd/meson.build:13
Series applied to dpdk-next-net/main, thanks.
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Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-09-22 18:04 [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 0/3] " Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-09-22 18:04 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 1/3] " Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-09-22 18:04 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 2/3] ethdev: support flow elements with variable length Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-09-22 18:04 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 3/3] ethdev: implement RTE flex item API Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-01 19:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 00/14] ethdev: introduce configurable flexible item Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-01 19:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 01/14] " Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-07 11:08 ` Ori Kam
2021-10-12 6:42 ` Slava Ovsiienko
2021-10-01 19:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 02/14] ethdev: support flow elements with variable length Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-01 19:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 03/14] ethdev: implement RTE flex item API Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-01 19:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 04/14] app/testpmd: add jansson library Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-01 19:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 05/14] app/testpmd: add flex item CLI commands Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-01 19:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 06/14] common/mlx5: refactor HCA attributes query Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-01 19:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 07/14] common/mlx5: extend flex parser capabilities Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-01 19:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 08/14] common/mlx5: fix flex parser DevX creation routine Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-01 19:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 09/14] net/mlx5: update eCPRI flex parser structures Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-01 19:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 10/14] net/mlx5: add flex item API Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-01 19:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 11/14] net/mlx5: add flex parser DevX object management Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-01 19:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 12/14] net/mlx5: translate flex item configuration Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-01 19:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 13/14] net/mlx5: translate flex item pattern into matcher Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-01 19:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 14/14] net/mlx5: handle flex item in flows Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-11 18:15 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 0/5] ethdev: introduce configurable flexible item Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-11 18:15 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 1/5] " Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-12 6:41 ` Ori Kam
2021-10-11 18:15 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 2/5] ethdev: support flow elements with variable length Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-12 7:53 ` Ori Kam
2021-10-11 18:15 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 3/5] ethdev: implement RTE flex item API Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-11 18:15 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 4/5] app/testpmd: add jansson library Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-12 7:56 ` Ori Kam
2021-10-11 18:15 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 5/5] app/testpmd: add flex item CLI commands Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-12 10:49 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 0/5] ethdev: update modify field flow action Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-12 10:49 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 1/5] " Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-12 10:49 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 2/5] ethdev: fix missed experimental tag for modify field action Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-12 10:49 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 3/5] app/testpmd: update modify field flow action support Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-12 10:49 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 4/5] app/testpmd: fix hex string parser in flow commands Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-12 10:49 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 5/5] net/mlx5: update modify field action Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-12 11:32 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 0/5] ethdev: introduce configurable flexible item Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-12 11:32 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 1/5] " Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-12 11:42 ` Ori Kam
2021-10-12 11:32 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 2/5] ethdev: support flow elements with variable length Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-12 11:32 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 3/5] ethdev: implement RTE flex item API Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-12 11:32 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 4/5] app/testpmd: add jansson library Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-12 11:32 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 5/5] app/testpmd: add flex item CLI commands Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-12 12:54 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 0/5] ethdev: introduce configurable flexible item Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-12 12:54 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 1/5] " Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-12 12:54 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 2/5] ethdev: support flow elements with variable length Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-12 12:54 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 3/5] ethdev: implement RTE flex item API Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-12 14:39 ` Ori Kam
2021-10-12 12:54 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 4/5] app/testpmd: add jansson library Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-12 12:54 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 5/5] app/testpmd: add flex item CLI commands Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-14 16:42 ` Ferruh Yigit
2021-10-14 18:13 ` Gregory Etelson
2021-10-14 16:09 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 0/5] ethdev: introduce configurable flexible item Ferruh Yigit
2021-10-14 18:55 ` Slava Ovsiienko
2021-10-18 18:02 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 0/6] " Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-18 18:02 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 1/6] " Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-18 18:02 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 2/6] ethdev: support flow elements with variable length Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-18 18:02 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 3/6] ethdev: implement RTE flex item API Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-19 6:12 ` Ori Kam
2021-10-18 18:02 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 4/6] app/testpmd: add jansson library Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-18 18:02 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 5/6] app/testpmd: add dedicated flow command parsing routine Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-18 18:02 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 6/6] app/testpmd: add flex item CLI commands Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-20 15:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 0/4] ethdev: introduce configurable flexible item Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-20 15:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 1/4] ethdev: support flow elements with variable length Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-20 15:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 2/4] ethdev: introduce configurable flexible item Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-20 15:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 3/4] app/testpmd: add dedicated flow command parsing routine Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-20 15:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 4/4] app/testpmd: add flex item CLI commands Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-20 15:14 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 0/4] ethdev: introduce configurable flexible item Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-20 15:14 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 1/4] ethdev: support flow elements with variable length Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-20 15:14 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 2/4] ethdev: introduce configurable flexible item Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-20 15:14 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 3/4] app/testpmd: add dedicated flow command parsing routine Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-20 15:14 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 4/4] app/testpmd: add flex item CLI commands Viacheslav Ovsiienko
2021-10-20 17:05 ` Ferruh Yigit [this message]
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