From: Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net>
To: "Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>
Cc: Ajit Khaparde <ajit.khaparde@broadcom.com>,
"Ananyev, Konstantin" <konstantin.ananyev@intel.com>,
Andrew Rybchenko <andrew.rybchenko@oktetlabs.ru>,
dev@dpdk.org, "Yigit, Ferruh" <ferruh.yigit@intel.com>,
david.marchand@redhat.com, "Richardson,
Bruce" <bruce.richardson@intel.com>,
olivier.matz@6wind.com, jerinj@marvell.com,
viacheslavo@nvidia.com, honnappa.nagarahalli@arm.com,
maxime.coquelin@redhat.com, stephen@networkplumber.org,
hemant.agrawal@nxp.com, viacheslavo@nvidia.com
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 15/15] mbuf: move pool pointer in hotterfirst half
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 21:40:46 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3458411.u7HY7OY5Un@thomas> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <98CBD80474FA8B44BF855DF32C47DC35C613CA@smartserver.smartshare.dk>
Thanks for the thoughts Morten.
I believe we need benchmarks of different scenarios with different drivers.
31/10/2020 19:20, Morten Brørup:
> Thomas,
>
> Adding my thoughts to the already detailed feedback on this important patch...
>
> The first cache line is not inherently "hotter" than the second. The hotness depends on their usage.
>
> The mbuf cacheline1 marker has the following comment:
> /* second cache line - fields only used in slow path or on TX */
>
> In other words, the second cache line is intended not to be touched in fast path RX.
>
> I do not think this is true anymore. Not even with simple non-scattered RX. And regression testing probably didn't catch this, because the tests perform TX after RX, so the cache miss moved from TX to RX and became a cache hit in TX instead. (I may be wrong about this claim, but it's not important for the discussion.)
>
> I think the right question for this patch is: Can we achieve this - not using the second cache line for fast path RX - again by putting the right fields in the first cache line?
>
> Probably not in all cases, but perhaps for some...
>
> Consider the application scenarios.
>
> When a packet is received, one of three things happens to it:
> 1. It is immediately transmitted on one or more ports.
> 2. It is immediately discarded, e.g. by a firewall rule.
> 3. It is put in some sort of queue, e.g. a ring for the next pipeline stage, or in a QoS queue.
>
> 1. If the packet is immediately transmitted, the m->tx_offload field in the second cache line will be touched by the application and TX function anyway, so we don't need to optimize the mbuf layout for this scenario.
>
> 2. The second scenario touches m->pool no matter how it is implemented. The application can avoid touching m->next by using rte_mbuf_raw_free(), knowing that the mbuf came directly from RX and thus no other fields have been touched. In this scenario, we want m->pool in the first cache line.
>
> 3. Now, let's consider the third scenario, where RX is followed by enqueue into a ring. If the application does nothing but put the packet into a ring, we don't need to move anything into the first cache line. But applications usually does more... So it is application specific what would be good to move to the first cache line:
>
> A. If the application does not use segmented mbufs, and performs analysis and preparation for transmission in the initial pipeline stages, and only the last pipeline stage performs TX, we could move m->tx_offload to the first cache line, which would keep the second cache line cold until the actual TX happens in the last pipeline stage - maybe even after the packet has waited in a QoS queue for a long time, and its cache lines have gone cold.
>
> B. If the application uses segmented mbufs on RX, it might make sense moving m->next to the first cache line. (We don't use segmented mbufs, so I'm not sure about this.)
>
>
> However, reality perhaps beats theory:
>
> Looking at the E1000 PMD, it seems like even its non-scattered RX function, eth_igb_recv_pkts(), sets m->next. If it only kept its own free pool pre-initialized instead... I haven't investigated other PMDs, except briefly looking at the mlx5 PMD, and it seems like it doesn't touch m->next in RX.
>
> I haven't looked deeper into how m->pool is being used by RX in PMDs, but I suppose that it isn't touched in RX.
>
> <rant on>
> If only we had a performance test where RX was not immediately followed by TX, but the packets were passed through a large queue in-between, so RX cache misses were not free of charge because they transform TX cache misses into cache hits instead...
> <rant off>
>
> Whatever you choose, I am sure that most applications will find it more useful than the timestamp. :-)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-10-31 20:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 170+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-10-29 9:27 [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 00/15] remove mbuf timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 01/15] eventdev: remove software Rx timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 02/15] mbuf: add Rx timestamp dynamic flag Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 9:58 ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29 18:19 ` Ajit Khaparde
2020-10-29 9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 03/15] ethdev: register mbuf field and flags for timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 10:08 ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29 10:12 ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 10:33 ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29 10:46 ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 04/15] latency: switch timestamp to dynamic mbuf field Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 10:13 ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29 10:40 ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 14:20 ` Pattan, Reshma
2020-10-29 16:15 ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 05/15] net/ark: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 06/15] net/dpaa2: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 07/15] net/mlx5: fix dynamic mbuf offset lookup check Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 08/15] net/mlx5: switch timestamp to dynamic mbuf field Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 09/15] net/nfb: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 10/15] net/octeontx2: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 11:02 ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29 11:34 ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 11:37 ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29 11:52 ` Slava Ovsiienko
2020-10-30 12:41 ` Jerin Jacob
2020-11-01 16:12 ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 20:00 ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29 9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 11/15] net/pcap: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 12/15] app/testpmd: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 10:20 ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29 10:43 ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 10:52 ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29 9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 13/15] examples/rxtx_callbacks: switch timestamp to dynamic field Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 10:21 ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29 10:44 ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 14/15] mbuf: remove deprecated timestamp field Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 10:23 ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29 18:18 ` Ajit Khaparde
2020-10-29 14:48 ` Kinsella, Ray
2020-10-29 9:27 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 15/15] mbuf: move pool pointer in hotter first half Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 10:50 ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-10-29 10:56 ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-10-29 14:15 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2020-10-29 18:45 ` Ajit Khaparde
2020-10-31 18:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 15/15] mbuf: move pool pointer in hotterfirst half Morten Brørup
2020-10-31 20:40 ` Thomas Monjalon [this message]
2020-11-01 9:12 ` Morten Brørup
2020-11-01 16:21 ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 16:38 ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 20:59 ` Morten Brørup
2020-11-02 15:58 ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:10 ` Morten Brørup
2020-11-03 12:25 ` Bruce Richardson
2020-11-03 13:46 ` Morten Brørup
2020-11-03 13:50 ` Bruce Richardson
2020-11-03 14:03 ` Morten Brørup
2020-11-03 14:02 ` Slava Ovsiienko
2020-11-03 15:03 ` Morten Brørup
2020-11-04 15:00 ` Olivier Matz
2020-11-05 0:25 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2020-11-05 9:04 ` Morten Brørup
2020-11-05 9:35 ` Morten Brørup
2020-11-05 10:29 ` Bruce Richardson
2020-10-29 14:42 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 15/15] mbuf: move pool pointer in hotter first half Kinsella, Ray
2020-11-01 18:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 00/14] remove mbuf timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 01/14] eventdev: remove software Rx timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 02/14] mbuf: add Rx timestamp dynamic flag Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 03/14] ethdev: register mbuf field and flags for timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-02 15:39 ` Olivier Matz
2020-11-02 16:52 ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 04/14] latency: switch timestamp to dynamic mbuf field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 05/14] net/ark: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-02 15:32 ` Olivier Matz
2020-11-02 16:10 ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 06/14] net/dpaa2: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 07/14] net/mlx5: fix dynamic mbuf offset lookup check Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 08/14] net/mlx5: switch timestamp to dynamic mbuf field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-02 5:08 ` Ruifeng Wang
2020-11-02 23:20 ` David Christensen
2020-11-01 18:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 09/14] net/nfb: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 10/14] net/octeontx2: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:28 ` Jerin Jacob
2020-11-02 9:38 ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-02 11:01 ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 11/14] net/pcap: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 12/14] app/testpmd: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 13/14] examples/rxtx_callbacks: switch timestamp to dynamic field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 14/14] mbuf: remove deprecated timestamp field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-02 15:41 ` Olivier Matz
2020-11-02 15:47 ` David Marchand
2020-11-02 15:49 ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-01 18:08 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 00/14] remove mbuf timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 0:13 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 00/16] " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 0:13 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 01/16] eventdev: remove software Rx timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 0:13 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 02/16] mbuf: add Rx timestamp flag and helpers Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 9:33 ` Olivier Matz
2020-11-03 9:59 ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 0:13 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 03/16] latency: switch Rx timestamp to dynamic mbuf field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 0:13 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 04/16] net/ark: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 0:13 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 05/16] net/dpaa2: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 9:18 ` Hemant Agrawal
2020-11-03 0:13 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 06/16] net/mlx5: fix dynamic mbuf offset lookup check Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 8:12 ` Slava Ovsiienko
2020-11-03 0:13 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 07/16] net/mlx5: switch Rx timestamp to dynamic mbuf field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 8:12 ` Slava Ovsiienko
2020-11-03 0:13 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 08/16] net/nfb: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 10:20 ` Olivier Matz
2020-11-03 0:14 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 09/16] net/octeontx2: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 10:52 ` Harman Kalra
2020-11-03 11:22 ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:21 ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:23 ` [dpdk-dev] [EXT] " Harman Kalra
2020-11-03 0:14 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 10/16] net/pcap: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 0:14 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 11/16] app/testpmd: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 10:23 ` Olivier Matz
2020-11-03 0:14 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 12/16] examples/rxtx_callbacks: switch timestamp to dynamic field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 0:14 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 13/16] ethdev: add doxygen comment for Rx timestamp API Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 0:14 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 14/16] mbuf: remove deprecated timestamp field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 0:14 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 15/16] mbuf: add Tx timestamp registration helper Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 0:14 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 16/16] ethdev: include mbuf registration in Tx timestamp API Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 7:54 ` Slava Ovsiienko
2020-11-03 9:00 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 00/16] remove mbuf timestamp David Marchand
2020-11-03 12:21 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:21 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 01/16] eventdev: remove software Rx timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:21 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 02/16] mbuf: add Rx timestamp flag and helpers Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:34 ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-11-03 12:21 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 03/16] latency: switch Rx timestamp to dynamic mbuf field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:21 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 04/16] net/ark: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:37 ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-11-03 13:08 ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:21 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 05/16] net/dpaa2: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:21 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 06/16] net/mlx5: fix dynamic mbuf offset lookup check Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:21 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 07/16] net/mlx5: switch Rx timestamp to dynamic mbuf field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:21 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 08/16] net/nfb: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:21 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 09/16] net/octeontx2: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:21 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 10/16] net/pcap: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:22 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 11/16] app/testpmd: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:22 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 12/16] examples/rxtx_callbacks: switch timestamp to dynamic field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:22 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 13/16] ethdev: add doxygen comment for Rx timestamp API Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:40 ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-11-03 12:22 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 14/16] mbuf: remove deprecated timestamp field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:22 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 15/16] mbuf: add Tx timestamp registration helper Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:42 ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-11-03 12:22 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 16/16] ethdev: include mbuf registration in Tx timestamp API Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 12:45 ` Andrew Rybchenko
2020-11-03 14:09 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 00/16] remove mbuf timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 01/16] eventdev: remove software Rx timestamp Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 02/16] mbuf: add Rx timestamp flag and helpers Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 03/16] latency: switch Rx timestamp to dynamic mbuf field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 04/16] net/ark: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 05/16] net/dpaa2: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 06/16] net/mlx5: fix dynamic mbuf offset lookup check Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 07/16] net/mlx5: switch Rx timestamp to dynamic mbuf field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 08/16] net/nfb: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 09/16] net/octeontx2: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 10/16] net/pcap: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 11/16] app/testpmd: " Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 12/16] examples/rxtx_callbacks: switch timestamp to dynamic field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 13/16] ethdev: add doxygen comment for Rx timestamp API Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 19:07 ` Ajit Khaparde
2020-11-03 14:09 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 14/16] mbuf: remove deprecated timestamp field Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 15/16] mbuf: add Tx timestamp registration helper Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:09 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 16/16] ethdev: include mbuf registration in Tx timestamp API Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 14:17 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 00/16] remove mbuf timestamp Olivier Matz
2020-11-03 14:44 ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 16:08 ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-11-03 16:20 ` Thomas Monjalon
2020-11-03 17:42 ` Stephen Hemminger
2020-11-03 17:55 ` Thomas Monjalon
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