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From: Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net>
To: "Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>,
	"Stephen Hemminger" <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
	"Min Zhou" <zhoumin@loongson.cn>
Cc: stable@dpdk.org, dev@dpdk.org,
	David Marchand <david.marchand@redhat.com>,
	 stable@dpdk.org, Anatoly Burakov <anatoly.burakov@intel.com>,
	Narcisa Vasile <navasile@linux.microsoft.com>,
	Tyler Retzlaff <roretzla@linux.microsoft.com>,
	Dmitry Kozlyuk <dmitry.kozliuk@gmail.com>,
	Konstantin Ananyev <konstantin.v.ananyev@yandex.ru>,
	Andrew Rybchenko <andrew.rybchenko@oktetlabs.ru>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] eal/unix: allow creating thread with real-time priority
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 15:15:49 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3767229.kQq0lBPeGt@thomas> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20231024090450.519ac82b@hermes.local>

24/10/2023 18:04, Stephen Hemminger:
> On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 15:55:13 +0200
> Morten Brørup <mb@smartsharesystems.com> wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > >    4. It MAY be used by preemptible multi-producer and/or preemptible multi-
> > > consumer pthreads whose scheduling policy are all SCHED_OTHER(cfs), SCHED_IDLE
> > > or SCHED_BATCH. User SHOULD be aware of the performance penalty before using
> > > it.
> > > 
> > > -  5. It MUST not be used by multi-producer/consumer pthreads, whose
> > > scheduling policies are SCHED_FIFO or SCHED_RR.
> > > +  5. It MUST not be used by multi-producer/consumer pthreads
> > > +     whose scheduling policies are ``SCHED_FIFO``
> > > +     or ``SCHED_RR`` (``RTE_THREAD_PRIORITY_REALTIME_CRITICAL``).  
> > 
> > Do the RTS or HTS ring modes make any difference here?
> > 
> > Anyway, I agree that real-time priority should not be forbidden on Unix.
> > 
> > Acked-by: Morten Brørup <mb@smartsharesystems.com>
> 
> Please add a big warning message in the rte_thread.c and the documentation
> to describe the problem. Need to have the "you have been warned" action.

Yes I can add more warnings.

> Use of RT priority is incompatible with 100% poll mode as is typically done
> in DPDK applications. A real time thread has higher priority than other necessary
> kernel threads on the same CPU. Therefore if the RT thread never sleeps, critical
> system actions such as delayed writes, network packet processing and timer updates
> will not happen which makes the system unstable.

Yes, and it is shown by the test on loongarch:
DPDK:fast-tests / threads_autotest        TIMEOUT        80.01s
http://mails.dpdk.org/archives/test-report/2023-October/488760.html

I'll try to pass the test by adding a sleep in the test thread.

> Multiple DPDK users have learned this the hard way.





  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-25 13:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-24 12:54 Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-24 13:55 ` Morten Brørup
2023-10-24 16:04   ` Stephen Hemminger
2023-10-25 13:15     ` Thomas Monjalon [this message]
2023-10-25 13:34       ` Bruce Richardson
2023-10-25 13:44         ` Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-25 15:08           ` Stephen Hemminger
2023-10-25 15:14             ` Bruce Richardson
2023-10-25 15:18               ` Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-25 15:32                 ` Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-25 15:13 ` [PATCH v2] " Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-25 15:37   ` Stephen Hemminger
2023-10-25 16:46     ` Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-25 17:54       ` Morten Brørup
2023-10-25 21:33         ` Stephen Hemminger
2023-10-26  7:33           ` Morten Brørup
2023-10-26 16:32             ` Stephen Hemminger
2023-10-26 17:07               ` Morten Brørup
2023-10-26  0:00         ` Stephen Hemminger
2023-10-25 16:31 ` [PATCH v3 0/2] " Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-25 16:31   ` [PATCH v3 1/2] eal: add thread yield functions Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-25 16:40     ` Bruce Richardson
2023-10-25 17:06       ` Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-25 18:07     ` Morten Brørup
2023-10-25 16:31   ` [PATCH v3 2/2] eal/unix: allow creating thread with real-time priority Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-26 13:36   ` [PATCH v3 0/2] " Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-26 13:44     ` Morten Brørup
2023-10-26 13:57       ` Morten Brørup
2023-10-26 14:04         ` Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-26 14:08           ` Morten Brørup
2023-10-26 14:30             ` Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-26 14:50               ` Morten Brørup
2023-10-26 14:59                 ` Morten Brørup
2023-10-26 15:54                   ` Bruce Richardson
2023-10-26 16:07                     ` Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-26 16:50                       ` Morten Brørup
2023-10-26 19:51                         ` Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-27  7:19                           ` Morten Brørup
2023-10-26 16:28             ` Stephen Hemminger
2023-10-26 19:55               ` Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-26 21:10                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2023-10-26 14:10         ` David Marchand
2023-10-26 13:37 ` [PATCH v4 " Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-26 13:37   ` [PATCH v4 1/2] eal: add thread yield functions Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-26 13:37   ` [PATCH v4 2/2] eal/unix: allow creating thread with real-time priority Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-26 14:19 ` [PATCH v5 0/2] " Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-26 14:19   ` [PATCH v5 1/2] eal: add thread yield functions Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-26 14:19   ` [PATCH v5 2/2] eal/unix: allow creating thread with real-time priority Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-26 20:00   ` [PATCH v5 0/2] " Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-26 23:35     ` Tyler Retzlaff
2023-10-27  8:08 ` [PATCH v6 1/1] eal/unix: " Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-27  8:45   ` Morten Brørup
2023-10-27  9:11     ` Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-27 18:15     ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-10-07 19:27   ` Stephen Hemminger

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