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From: Konstantin Ananyev <konstantin.ananyev@huawei.com>
To: "Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>,
	"Ola Liljedahl" <Ola.Liljedahl@arm.com>,
	"Wathsala Vithanage" <wathsala.vithanage@arm.com>,
	"Honnappa Nagarahalli" <Honnappa.Nagarahalli@arm.com>
Cc: "dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>,
	Dhruv Tripathi <Dhruv.Tripathi@arm.com>,
	Bruce Richardson <bruce.richardson@intel.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH 1/1] ring: safe partial ordering for head/tail update
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2025 07:11:07 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48e8cd3f68a440d7a83092903d710307@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <98CBD80474FA8B44BF855DF32C47DC35F65465@smartserver.smartshare.dk>



> I have been following this interesting discussion, and want to clarify:
> 
> For a generic ring, enqueue can fail if the ring doesn't have sufficient free space, and
> dequeue can fail if it doesn't have sufficient objects in queue.
> 
> However, when a ring is used as the backing store for a mempool, enqueue can
> never fail. (Dequeue can still fail if the mempool has been depleted.)
> 
> The reason enqueue into a mempool ring can never fail is:
> On creation of the mempool ring, the objects held by the mempool (e.g. mbufs) are
> allocated in memory and enqueued into the ring. If the mempool ring has size SIZE,
> then SIZE objects are allocated in memory and enqueued into the mempool ring.
> So, since only SIZE objects exist in the whole world, and the mempool ring has size
> SIZE, enqueue of those objects into the mempool ring cannot fail, and the mempool
> "put" API reflects this.
> 
> Note that this is a requirement for the mempool API, not the ring API.
> So, if the ring API doesn't provide this guarantee (that if only SIZE objects exist,
> enqueue cannot fail), then this guarantee could be implemented in the mempool
> library where it interfaces to the ring "enqueue" API (instead of having the ring API
> provide this guarantee).
> 
> However, other libraries or applications might assume the same guarantee for a ring
> when no more than SIZE objects exist. (I don't know!) If this is the case, then it is a
> ring API requirement, not just a mempool API requirement.

Yep, there could be other libs (both DPDK and third-party) that rely on that.
That's why I think we need to preserve existing behavior of the public ring API.  
Providing some extra (fast) version of API is possible, though I am not big fan
of that idea: it will complicate and increase existing code quite a bit, while
I don't think the gain would be that huge.
But again - I think that new API shall be subject of a separate patch-set and discussion.
As first thing we do need a fix or existing one.
Thank you for great summary.  
Konstantin

> One possible solution to this could be offering two ring enqueue APIs, a "fast" API
> without the guarantee and a "safe" API with the guarantee.
> Somewhat like the iteration macros for linked lists: foreach() and foreach_safe().


  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-25  7:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-15 18:54 [PATCH 0/1] ring: correct ordering issue in " Wathsala Vithanage
2025-09-15 18:54 ` [PATCH 1/1] ring: safe partial ordering for " Wathsala Vithanage
2025-09-16 15:42   ` Bruce Richardson
2025-09-16 18:19     ` Ola Liljedahl
2025-09-17  7:47       ` Bruce Richardson
2025-09-17 15:06         ` Stephen Hemminger
2025-09-18 17:40         ` Wathsala Vithanage
2025-09-16 22:57   ` Konstantin Ananyev
2025-09-16 23:08     ` Konstantin Ananyev
     [not found]     ` <2a611c3cf926d752a54b7655c27d6df874a2d0de.camel@arm.com>
2025-09-17  7:58       ` Konstantin Ananyev
2025-09-17  9:05         ` Ola Liljedahl
2025-09-20 12:01           ` Konstantin Ananyev
     [not found]             ` <cf7e14d4ba5e9d78fddf083b6c92d75942447931.camel@arm.com>
2025-09-22  7:12               ` Konstantin Ananyev
2025-09-23 21:57             ` Ola Liljedahl
2025-09-24  6:56               ` Konstantin Ananyev
2025-09-24  7:50                 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2025-09-24  8:51                   ` Ola Liljedahl
2025-09-24 10:08                     ` Konstantin Ananyev
2025-09-24 11:27                       ` Ola Liljedahl
2025-09-24 11:50                         ` Konstantin Ananyev
2025-09-24 13:28                           ` Ola Liljedahl
2025-09-24 15:03                             ` Konstantin Ananyev
2025-09-25  4:29                               ` Morten Brørup
2025-09-25  7:11                                 ` Konstantin Ananyev [this message]
2025-09-24 15:24               ` Stephen Hemminger

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