From: Konstantin Ananyev <konstantin.ananyev@huawei.com>
To: "Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>,
"Ola Liljedahl" <Ola.Liljedahl@arm.com>,
"Wathsala Vithanage" <wathsala.vithanage@arm.com>,
"Honnappa Nagarahalli" <Honnappa.Nagarahalli@arm.com>
Cc: "dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>,
Dhruv Tripathi <Dhruv.Tripathi@arm.com>,
Bruce Richardson <bruce.richardson@intel.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH 1/1] ring: safe partial ordering for head/tail update
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2025 07:11:07 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <48e8cd3f68a440d7a83092903d710307@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <98CBD80474FA8B44BF855DF32C47DC35F65465@smartserver.smartshare.dk>
> I have been following this interesting discussion, and want to clarify:
>
> For a generic ring, enqueue can fail if the ring doesn't have sufficient free space, and
> dequeue can fail if it doesn't have sufficient objects in queue.
>
> However, when a ring is used as the backing store for a mempool, enqueue can
> never fail. (Dequeue can still fail if the mempool has been depleted.)
>
> The reason enqueue into a mempool ring can never fail is:
> On creation of the mempool ring, the objects held by the mempool (e.g. mbufs) are
> allocated in memory and enqueued into the ring. If the mempool ring has size SIZE,
> then SIZE objects are allocated in memory and enqueued into the mempool ring.
> So, since only SIZE objects exist in the whole world, and the mempool ring has size
> SIZE, enqueue of those objects into the mempool ring cannot fail, and the mempool
> "put" API reflects this.
>
> Note that this is a requirement for the mempool API, not the ring API.
> So, if the ring API doesn't provide this guarantee (that if only SIZE objects exist,
> enqueue cannot fail), then this guarantee could be implemented in the mempool
> library where it interfaces to the ring "enqueue" API (instead of having the ring API
> provide this guarantee).
>
> However, other libraries or applications might assume the same guarantee for a ring
> when no more than SIZE objects exist. (I don't know!) If this is the case, then it is a
> ring API requirement, not just a mempool API requirement.
Yep, there could be other libs (both DPDK and third-party) that rely on that.
That's why I think we need to preserve existing behavior of the public ring API.
Providing some extra (fast) version of API is possible, though I am not big fan
of that idea: it will complicate and increase existing code quite a bit, while
I don't think the gain would be that huge.
But again - I think that new API shall be subject of a separate patch-set and discussion.
As first thing we do need a fix or existing one.
Thank you for great summary.
Konstantin
> One possible solution to this could be offering two ring enqueue APIs, a "fast" API
> without the guarantee and a "safe" API with the guarantee.
> Somewhat like the iteration macros for linked lists: foreach() and foreach_safe().
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-09-25 7:11 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-09-15 18:54 [PATCH 0/1] ring: correct ordering issue in " Wathsala Vithanage
2025-09-15 18:54 ` [PATCH 1/1] ring: safe partial ordering for " Wathsala Vithanage
2025-09-16 15:42 ` Bruce Richardson
2025-09-16 18:19 ` Ola Liljedahl
2025-09-17 7:47 ` Bruce Richardson
2025-09-17 15:06 ` Stephen Hemminger
2025-09-18 17:40 ` Wathsala Vithanage
2025-09-16 22:57 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2025-09-16 23:08 ` Konstantin Ananyev
[not found] ` <2a611c3cf926d752a54b7655c27d6df874a2d0de.camel@arm.com>
2025-09-17 7:58 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2025-09-17 9:05 ` Ola Liljedahl
2025-09-20 12:01 ` Konstantin Ananyev
[not found] ` <cf7e14d4ba5e9d78fddf083b6c92d75942447931.camel@arm.com>
2025-09-22 7:12 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2025-09-23 21:57 ` Ola Liljedahl
2025-09-24 6:56 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2025-09-24 7:50 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2025-09-24 8:51 ` Ola Liljedahl
2025-09-24 10:08 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2025-09-24 11:27 ` Ola Liljedahl
2025-09-24 11:50 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2025-09-24 13:28 ` Ola Liljedahl
2025-09-24 15:03 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2025-09-25 4:29 ` Morten Brørup
2025-09-25 7:11 ` Konstantin Ananyev [this message]
2025-09-24 15:24 ` Stephen Hemminger
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