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From: Avi Kivity <avi@cloudius-systems.com>
To: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
	Vlad Zolotarov <vladz@cloudius-systems.com>
Cc: "dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] RFC: i40e xmit path HW limitation
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2015 20:22:19 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <55BA5D4B.30009@cloudius-systems.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150730100158.1516dab3@urahara>

On 07/30/2015 08:01 PM, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 19:50:27 +0300
> Vlad Zolotarov <vladz@cloudius-systems.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 07/30/15 19:20, Avi Kivity wrote:
>>>
>>> On 07/30/2015 07:17 PM, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 30 Jul 2015 17:57:33 +0300
>>>> Vlad Zolotarov <vladz@cloudius-systems.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi, Konstantin, Helin,
>>>>> there is a documented limitation of xl710 controllers (i40e driver)
>>>>> which is not handled in any way by a DPDK driver.
>>>>>    From the datasheet chapter 8.4.1:
>>>>>
>>>>> "• A single transmit packet may span up to 8 buffers (up to 8 data
>>>>> descriptors per packet including
>>>>> both the header and payload buffers).
>>>>> • The total number of data descriptors for the whole TSO (explained
>>>>> later on in this chapter) is
>>>>> unlimited as long as each segment within the TSO obeys the previous
>>>>> rule (up to 8 data descriptors
>>>>> per segment for both the TSO header and the segment payload buffers)."
>>>>>
>>>>> This means that, for instance, long cluster with small fragments has to
>>>>> be linearized before it may be placed on the HW ring.
>>>>> In more standard environments like Linux or FreeBSD drivers the
>>>>> solution
>>>>> is straight forward - call skb_linearize()/m_collapse() corresponding.
>>>>> In the non-conformist environment like DPDK life is not that easy -
>>>>> there is no easy way to collapse the cluster into a linear buffer from
>>>>> inside the device driver
>>>>> since device driver doesn't allocate memory in a fast path and utilizes
>>>>> the user allocated pools only.
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are two proposals for a solution:
>>>>>
>>>>>    1. We may provide a callback that would return a user TRUE if a give
>>>>>       cluster has to be linearized and it should always be called before
>>>>>       rte_eth_tx_burst(). Alternatively it may be called from inside the
>>>>>       rte_eth_tx_burst() and rte_eth_tx_burst() is changed to return
>>>>> some
>>>>>       error code for a case when one of the clusters it's given has
>>>>> to be
>>>>>       linearized.
>>>>>    2. Another option is to allocate a mempool in the driver with the
>>>>>       elements consuming a single page each (standard 2KB buffers would
>>>>>       do). Number of elements in the pool should be as Tx ring length
>>>>>       multiplied by "64KB/(linear data length of the buffer in the pool
>>>>>       above)". Here I use 64KB as a maximum packet length and not taking
>>>>>       into an account esoteric things like "Giant" TSO mentioned in the
>>>>>       spec above. Then we may actually go and linearize the cluster if
>>>>>       needed on top of the buffers from the pool above, post the buffer
>>>>>       from the mempool above on the HW ring, link the original
>>>>> cluster to
>>>>>       that new cluster (using the private data) and release it when the
>>>>>       send is done.
>>>> Or just silently drop heavily scattered packets (and increment oerrors)
>>>> with a PMD_TX_LOG debug message.
>>>>
>>>> I think a DPDK driver doesn't have to accept all possible mbufs and do
>>>> extra work. It seems reasonable to expect caller to be well behaved
>>>> in this restricted ecosystem.
>>>>
>>> How can the caller know what's well behaved?  It's device dependent.
>> +1
>>
>> Stephen, how do you imagine this well-behaved application? Having switch
>> case by an underlying device type and then "well-behaving" correspondingly?
>> Not to mention that to "well-behave" the application writer has to read
>> HW specs and understand them, which would limit the amount of DPDK
>> developers to a very small amount of people... ;) Not to mention that
>> the mentioned above switch-case would be a super ugly thing to be found
>> in an application that would raise a big question about the
>> justification of a DPDK existence as as SDK providing device drivers
>> interface. ;)
> Either have a RTE_MAX_MBUF_SEGMENTS that is global or
> a mbuf_linearize function?  Driver already can stash the
> mbuf pool used for Rx and reuse it for the transient Tx buffers.
>

The pass/fail criteria is much more complicated than that.  You might 
have a packet with 340 fragments successfully transmitted (64k/1500*8) 
or a packet with 9 fragments fail.

What's wrong with exposing the pass/fail criteria as a driver-supplied 
function?  If the application is sure that its mbufs pass, it can choose 
not to call it.  A less constrained application will call it, and 
linearize the packet itself if it fails the test.

      parent reply	other threads:[~2015-07-30 17:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-07-30 14:57 Vlad Zolotarov
2015-07-30 16:10 ` [dpdk-dev] " Zhang, Helin
2015-07-30 16:44   ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-07-30 17:33     ` Zhang, Helin
2015-07-30 17:56       ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-07-30 19:00         ` Zhang, Helin
2015-07-30 19:25           ` Vladislav Zolotarov
2015-07-30 16:17 ` [dpdk-dev] RFC: " Stephen Hemminger
2015-07-30 16:20   ` Avi Kivity
2015-07-30 16:50     ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-07-30 17:01       ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-07-30 17:14         ` Vlad Zolotarov
2015-07-30 17:22         ` Avi Kivity [this message]

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