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From: Konstantin Ananyev <konstantin.ananyev@huawei.com>
To: "Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>,
	"Konstantin Ananyev" <konstantin.v.ananyev@yandex.ru>,
	"dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>,
	"Bruce Richardson" <bruce.richardson@intel.com>
Cc: Jan Viktorin <viktorin@rehivetech.com>,
	Ruifeng Wang <ruifeng.wang@arm.com>,
	David Christensen <drc@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"Stanislaw Kardach" <kda@semihalf.com>
Subject: RE: [RFC v2] non-temporal memcpy
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2022 19:49:07 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <66b6efccde5b4d68bffcc47713cdf983@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <98CBD80474FA8B44BF855DF32C47DC35D87211@smartserver.smartshare.dk>



> 
> > From: Konstantin Ananyev [mailto:konstantin.ananyev@huawei.com]
> > Sent: Friday, 29 July 2022 14.14
> >
> >
> > Sorry, missed that part.
> >
> > >
> > > > Another question - who will do 'sfence' after the copying?
> > > > Would it be inside memcpy_nt (seems quite costly), or would
> > > > it be another API function for that: memcpy_nt_flush() or so?
> > >
> > > Outside. Only the developer knows when it is required, so it wouldn't
> > make any sense to add the cost inside memcpy_nt().
> > >
> > > I don't think we should add a flush function; it would just be
> > another name for an already existing function. Referring to the
> > required
> > > operation in the memcpy_nt() function documentation should suffice.
> > >
> >
> > Ok, but again wouldn't it be arch specific?
> > AFAIK for x86 it needs to boil down to sfence, for other architectures
> > - I don't know.
> > If you think there already is some generic one (rte_wmb?) that would
> > always produce
> > correct instructions - sure let's use it.
> >
> 
> DPDK has generic functions to wrap architecture specific stuff like memory barriers.
> 
> Because they are non-temporal stores, I suspect that rte_mb() is required before reading the data from the location it was copied to.
> Ensuring that STORE operations are ordered (rte_wmb) might not suffice. However, I'm not a CPU expert, so I will seek advice from
> more qualified people in the community on this.

I think for IA sfence is enough, see citation below,
for other architectures - no idea.
What I am trying to say - it needs to be the *same* function on all archs we support. 

IA SW optimization manual:
9.4.2 Streaming Store Usage Models
The two primary usage domains for streaming store are coherent requests and non-coherent requests.
9.4.2.1 Coherent Requests
Coherent requests are normal loads and stores to system memory, which may also hit cache lines
present in another processor in a multiprocessor environment. With coherent requests, a streaming store
can be used in the same way as a regular store that has been mapped with a WC memory type (PAT or
MTRR). An SFENCE instruction must be used within a producer-consumer usage model in order to ensure
coherency and visibility of data between processors.
Within a single-processor system, the CPU can also re-read the same memory location and be assured of
coherence (that is, a single, consistent view of this memory location). The same is true for a multiprocessor
(MP) system, assuming an accepted MP software producer-consumer synchronization policy is
employed.

 
 




  reply	other threads:[~2022-07-29 19:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-07-19 15:26 Morten Brørup
2022-07-19 18:00 ` David Christensen
2022-07-19 18:41   ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-19 18:51     ` Stanisław Kardach
2022-07-19 22:15       ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-21 23:19 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-07-22 10:44   ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-24 13:35     ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-07-24 22:18       ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-29 10:00         ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-07-29 10:46           ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-29 11:50             ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-07-29 17:17               ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-29 22:00                 ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-07-30  9:51                   ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-02  9:05                     ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-07-29 12:13             ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-07-29 16:05               ` Stephen Hemminger
2022-07-29 17:29                 ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-07 20:40                 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-09  9:24                   ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-09 11:53                     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-10-09 16:16                       ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-29 18:13               ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-29 19:49                 ` Konstantin Ananyev [this message]
2022-07-29 20:26                   ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-29 21:34                     ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-08-07 20:20                     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-09  9:34                       ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-09 11:56                         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-10 21:05                     ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2022-08-11 11:50                       ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-11 16:26                         ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2022-07-25  1:17       ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2022-07-27 10:26         ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-27 17:37           ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2022-07-27 18:49             ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-27 19:12               ` Stephen Hemminger
2022-07-28  9:00                 ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-27 19:52               ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2022-07-27 22:02                 ` Stanisław Kardach
2022-07-28 10:51                   ` Morten Brørup
2022-07-29  9:21                     ` Konstantin Ananyev
2022-08-07 20:25 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-09  9:46   ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-09 12:05     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-09 15:00       ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-10 11:47         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-09 15:26     ` Stephen Hemminger
2022-08-09 17:24       ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-10 11:59         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-10 12:12           ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-10 11:55       ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-10 12:18         ` Morten Brørup
2022-08-10 21:20           ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2022-08-11 11:53             ` Mattias Rönnblom
2022-08-11 22:24               ` Honnappa Nagarahalli

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