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From: "Mattias Rönnblom" <hofors@lysator.liu.se>
To: Ruifeng Wang <Ruifeng.Wang@arm.com>,
	"thomas@monjalon.net" <thomas@monjalon.net>,
	"david.marchand@redhat.com" <david.marchand@redhat.com>
Cc: "dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>,
	"roretzla@linux.microsoft.com" <roretzla@linux.microsoft.com>,
	"konstantin.v.ananyev@yandex.ru" <konstantin.v.ananyev@yandex.ru>,
	Honnappa Nagarahalli <Honnappa.Nagarahalli@arm.com>,
	nd <nd@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] eal: add notes to SMP memory barrier APIs
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2023 14:08:26 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7d352cdc-5395-49b3-c8a6-1d2dcc80864a@lysator.liu.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AS8PR08MB70808751FC7FBB7A837EE48E9E29A@AS8PR08MB7080.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com>

On 2023-07-03 09:02, Ruifeng Wang wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mattias Rönnblom <hofors@lysator.liu.se>
>> Sent: Friday, June 30, 2023 3:44 AM
>> To: Ruifeng Wang <Ruifeng.Wang@arm.com>; thomas@monjalon.net; david.marchand@redhat.com
>> Cc: dev@dpdk.org; roretzla@linux.microsoft.com; konstantin.v.ananyev@yandex.ru; Honnappa
>> Nagarahalli <Honnappa.Nagarahalli@arm.com>; nd <nd@arm.com>
>> Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] eal: add notes to SMP memory barrier APIs
>>
>> On 2023-06-26 09:12, Ruifeng Wang wrote:
>>> The rte_smp_xx() APIs are deprecated. But it is not mentioned in the
>>> function header.
>>> Added notes in function header for clarification.
>>>
>>> Signed-off-by: Ruifeng Wang <ruifeng.wang@arm.com>
>>> ---
>>> v2: Made the notes more specific.
>>>
>>>    lib/eal/include/generic/rte_atomic.h | 19 +++++++++++++++++++
>>>    1 file changed, 19 insertions(+)
>>>
>>> diff --git a/lib/eal/include/generic/rte_atomic.h
>>> b/lib/eal/include/generic/rte_atomic.h
>>> index 58df843c54..35e0041ce6 100644
>>> --- a/lib/eal/include/generic/rte_atomic.h
>>> +++ b/lib/eal/include/generic/rte_atomic.h
>>> @@ -55,6 +55,11 @@ static inline void rte_rmb(void);
>>>     * Guarantees that the LOAD and STORE operations that precede the
>>>     * rte_smp_mb() call are globally visible across the lcores
>>>     * before the LOAD and STORE operations that follows it.
>>> + *
>>> + * @note
>>> + *  This function is deprecated. It provides fence synchronization
>>> + *  primitive but doesn't take memory order parameter.
>>> + *  rte_atomic_thread_fence() should be used instead.
>>
>> I can't see why coding the memory model semantics into the name, rather than by
>> specification-by-means-of-a-parameter, could be the real issue.
>> Could you explain? Seems like just different syntax to me.
> 
> Yes, rte_smp_xx and rte_atomic_thread_fence have different syntaxes.
> 
> The compiler atomic builtins were accepted for memory ordering. It comprises atomic arithmetic,
> atomic load/store, and atomic fence. It is simpler and clearer to do memory ordering by using
> the atomic builtins whenever possible.
> rte_smp_xx has functionality overlap with atomic fence builtins but with different memory model
> semantics and different syntaxes. Because of the differences, it will make memory ordering a little
> more complex if rte_smp_xx is kept aside atomic builtins suite.
> 

I wasn't arguing for keeping Linux kernel-style barriers. It was just 
the rationale that seemed flawed to me.

If Linux kernel-style memory barriers took a memory model parameter, we 
would still prefer C11-style GCC barrier intrinsics (for this release).

>>
>> The old <rte_atomic.h> atomic arithmetic and atomic load/store operations suffered from
>> unspecified semantics in regards to any ordering they imposed on other memory accesses. I
>> guess that shortcoming could be described as a "missing parameter", although that too
>> would be misleading. Unclear semantics seems not be the case for the kernel-style barriers
>> though.
>>
>>>     */
>>>    static inline void rte_smp_mb(void);
>>>
>>> @@ -64,6 +69,11 @@ static inline void rte_smp_mb(void);
>>>     * Guarantees that the STORE operations that precede the
>>>     * rte_smp_wmb() call are globally visible across the lcores
>>>     * before the STORE operations that follows it.
>>> + *
>>> + * @note
>>> + *  This function is deprecated. It provides fence synchronization
>>> + *  primitive but doesn't take memory order parameter.
>>> + *  rte_atomic_thread_fence() should be used instead.
>>>     */
>>>    static inline void rte_smp_wmb(void);
>>>
>>> @@ -73,6 +83,11 @@ static inline void rte_smp_wmb(void);
>>>     * Guarantees that the LOAD operations that precede the
>>>     * rte_smp_rmb() call are globally visible across the lcores
>>>     * before the LOAD operations that follows it.
>>> + *
>>> + * @note
>>> + *  This function is deprecated. It provides fence synchronization
>>> + *  primitive but doesn't take memory order parameter.
>>> + *  rte_atomic_thread_fence() should be used instead.
>>>     */
>>>    static inline void rte_smp_rmb(void);
>>>    ///@}
>>> @@ -122,6 +137,10 @@ static inline void rte_io_rmb(void);
>>>
>>>    /**
>>>     * Synchronization fence between threads based on the specified memory order.
>>> + *
>>> + * @param memorder
>>> + *   The memory order defined by compiler atomic builtin at:
>>> + *   https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/_005f_005fatomic-Builtins.html
>>>     */
>>>    static inline void rte_atomic_thread_fence(int memorder);
>>>

  reply	other threads:[~2023-07-04 12:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-21  6:44 [PATCH] " Ruifeng Wang
2023-06-21  7:29 ` Thomas Monjalon
2023-06-25  7:55   ` Ruifeng Wang
2023-06-22 18:19 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2023-06-23 21:51   ` Tyler Retzlaff
2023-06-25  8:45     ` Ruifeng Wang
2023-06-25 15:40       ` Thomas Monjalon
2023-06-25  8:17   ` Ruifeng Wang
2023-06-29 19:28     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2023-07-03  6:12       ` Ruifeng Wang
2023-06-26  7:12 ` [PATCH v2] " Ruifeng Wang
2023-06-29 19:43   ` Mattias Rönnblom
2023-07-03  7:02     ` Ruifeng Wang
2023-07-04 12:08       ` Mattias Rönnblom [this message]
2023-07-03  9:56 ` [PATCH v3] " Ruifeng Wang
2023-07-28  9:17   ` Thomas Monjalon

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