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From: "Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>
To: "Mattias Rönnblom" <hofors@lysator.liu.se>,
	"Maxime Coquelin" <maxime.coquelin@redhat.com>,
	"Stephen Hemminger" <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
	"Andrey Ignatov" <rdna@apple.com>
Cc: <dev@dpdk.org>, "Chenbo Xia" <chenbox@nvidia.com>,
	"Wei Shen" <wshen0123@apple.com>, <techboard@dpdk.org>
Subject: RE: The effect of inlining
Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2024 18:01:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <98CBD80474FA8B44BF855DF32C47DC35E9F353@smartserver.smartshare.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d7c9f5ad-badd-4105-9fd4-d0a096953ad0@lysator.liu.se>

> From: Mattias Rönnblom [mailto:hofors@lysator.liu.se]
> Sent: Monday, 1 April 2024 17.20
> 
> On 2024-03-29 14:42, Morten Brørup wrote:
> > +CC techboard
> >
> >> From: Maxime Coquelin [mailto:maxime.coquelin@redhat.com]
> >> Sent: Friday, 29 March 2024 14.05
> >>
> >> Hi Stephen,
> >>
> >> On 3/29/24 03:53, Stephen Hemminger wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 28 Mar 2024 17:10:42 -0700
> >>> Andrey Ignatov <rdna@apple.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You don't need always inline, the compiler will do it anyway.
> >>>>
> >>>> I can remove it in v2, but it's not completely obvious to me how is
> >> it
> >>>> decided when to specify it explicitly and when not?
> >>>>
> >>>> I see plenty of __rte_always_inline in this file:
> >>>>
> >>>> % git grep -c '^static __rte_always_inline' lib/vhost/virtio_net.c
> >>>> lib/vhost/virtio_net.c:66
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Cargo cult really.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Cargo cult... really?
> >>
> >> Well, I just did a quick test by comparing IO forwarding with testpmd
> >> between main branch and with adding a patch that removes all the
> >> inline/noinline in lib/vhost/virtio_net.c [0].
> >>
> >> main branch: 14.63Mpps
> >> main branch - inline/noinline: 10.24Mpps
> >
> > Thank you for testing this, Maxime. Very interesting!
> >
> > It is sometimes suggested on techboard meetings that we should convert
> more inline functions to non-inline for improved API/ABI stability, with
> the argument that the performance of inlining is negligible.
> >
> 
> I think you are mixing two different (but related) things here.
> 1) marking functions with the inline family of keywords/attributes
> 2) keeping function definitions in header files

I'm talking about 2. The reason for wanting to avoid inline function definitions in header files is to hide more of the implementation behind the API, thus making it easier to change the implementation without breaking the API/ABI. Sorry about not making this clear.

> 
> 1) does not affect the ABI, while 2) does. Neither 1) nor 2) affects the
> API (i.e., source-level compatibility).
> 
> 2) *allows* for function inlining even in non-LTO builds, but doesn't
> force it.
> 
> If you don't believe 2) makes a difference performance-wise, it follows
> that you also don't believe LTO makes much of a difference. Both have
> the same effect: allowing the compiler to reason over a larger chunk of
> your program.
> 
> Allowing the compiler to inline small, often-called functions is crucial
> for performance, in my experience. If the target symbol tend to be in a
> shared object, the difference is even larger. It's also quite common
> that you see no effect of LTO (other than a reduction of code
> footprint).
> 
> As LTO becomes more practical to use, 2) loses much of its appeal.
> 
> If PGO ever becomes practical to use, maybe 1) will as well.
> 
> > I think this test proves that the sum of many small (negligible)
> performance differences it not negligible!
> >
> >>
> >> Andrey, thanks for the patch, I'll have a look at it next week.
> >>
> >> Maxime
> >>
> >> [0]: https://pastebin.com/72P2npZ0
> >

  reply	other threads:[~2024-04-03 16:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-28 23:33 [PATCH] vhost: optimize mbuf allocation in virtio Tx packed path Andrey Ignatov
2024-03-28 23:44 ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-03-29  0:10   ` Andrey Ignatov
2024-03-29  2:53     ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-03-29 13:04       ` Maxime Coquelin
2024-03-29 13:42         ` The effect of inlining Morten Brørup
2024-03-29 20:26           ` Tyler Retzlaff
2024-04-01 15:20           ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-04-03 16:01             ` Morten Brørup [this message]
2024-04-03 10:19 ` [PATCH] vhost: optimize mbuf allocation in virtio Tx packed path Maxime Coquelin

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