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From: "Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>
To: "Thomas Monjalon" <thomas@monjalon.net>,
	"David Marchand" <david.marchand@redhat.com>
Cc: dev@dpdk.org, bruce.richardson@intel.com, ktraynor@redhat.com,
	"Mattias Rönnblom" <mattias.ronnblom@ericsson.com>,
	"Tyler Retzlaff" <roretzla@linux.microsoft.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH 2/3] bitset: fix build for GCC without experimental API
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2024 16:44:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <98CBD80474FA8B44BF855DF32C47DC35E9F7DF@smartserver.smartshare.dk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <10943298.zapYfy813O@thomas>

> From: Thomas Monjalon [mailto:thomas@monjalon.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, 15 October 2024 16.13
> 
> 15/10/2024 14:53, Morten Brørup:
> > > From: David Marchand [mailto:david.marchand@redhat.com]
> > > @@ -255,7 +255,13 @@ __rte_experimental
> > >  static inline bool
> > >  rte_bitset_test(const uint64_t *bitset, size_t bit_num)
> > >  {
> > > +#ifdef ALLOW_EXPERIMENTAL_API
> > >  	return __RTE_BITSET_DELEGATE(rte_bit_test, bitset, bit_num);
> > > +#else
> > > +	RTE_SET_USED(bitset);
> > > +	RTE_SET_USED(bit_num);
> > > +	return false;
> > > +#endif
> > >  }
> >
> > This looks wrong! The API is exposed, but does nothing.
> 
> Yes, this is what we did already in the past for other experimental
> functions
> called from inline functions.
> There is no choice, the compiler is hitting the warning.
> 
> > It is possible to build without ALLOW_EXPERIMENTAL_API; the compiler
> will emit warnings when using experimental APIs.
> 
> Yes it is possible to build,
> but it is not said it should work the same.
> 
> > If those compiler warnings are not handled as errors, the compiled
> application will be full of bugs.
> 
> Yes, that's why there are warnings.
> We may document it better but that's the behavior we have for years.
> There is no easy solution, and making experimental functions work
> without defining ALLOW_EXPERIMENTAL_API is not a really interesting
> goal.
> I think the word "allow" suggests it is not supposed to work if not
> allowed.

There's a world of difference between "experimental, might have bugs" - which is what I (and possibly other DPDK consumers) expect - and "experimental, we know for a fact that it doesn't work" - which is quite a surprise to me.
> 
> It would be more interesting to make sure the users understand
> why we have this flag and how to enable it.
> I propose adding some docs, and mentioning ALLOW_EXPERIMENTAL_API
> in the the __rte_experimental message in rte_compat.h.
> 

If we know that some of these warnings cause bugs in DPDK, we should elevate these specific instances to error level.

Regarding this specific patch:
Would it be possible to change it to behave like patch 1/3, i.e. completely omit the experimental APIs if ALLOW_EXPERIMENTAL_API is not defined?


  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-15 14:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-15 12:10 [PATCH 0/3] Enhance headers check David Marchand
2024-10-15 12:10 ` [PATCH 1/3] bitops: fix build for GCC without experimental API David Marchand
2024-10-15 12:47   ` Morten Brørup
2024-10-15 12:10 ` [PATCH 2/3] bitset: " David Marchand
2024-10-15 12:53   ` Morten Brørup
2024-10-15 14:13     ` Thomas Monjalon
2024-10-15 14:44       ` Morten Brørup [this message]
2024-10-15 19:58         ` Thomas Monjalon
2024-10-15 20:30           ` Morten Brørup
2024-10-15 12:10 ` [PATCH 3/3] buildtools/chkincs: check headers with stable API only David Marchand
2024-10-16 11:38 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] Enhance headers check David Marchand
2024-10-16 11:38   ` [PATCH v2 1/4] bitops: fix build for GCC without experimental API David Marchand
2024-10-16 11:38   ` [PATCH v2 2/4] bitset: " David Marchand
2024-10-16 14:14     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-10-16 15:36       ` David Marchand
2024-10-16 15:42         ` Morten Brørup
2024-10-16 16:03           ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-10-16 16:17             ` Thomas Monjalon
2024-10-16 15:51         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-10-16 11:38   ` [PATCH v2 3/4] vhost: remove internal vDPA API description from public header David Marchand
2024-10-16 11:47     ` Maxime Coquelin
2024-10-16 11:38   ` [PATCH v2 4/4] buildtools/chkincs: check headers with stable API only David Marchand
2024-10-16 20:40   ` [PATCH v2 0/4] Enhance headers check David Marchand

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