DPDK patches and discussions
 help / color / mirror / Atom feed
From: "Mattias Rönnblom" <hofors@lysator.liu.se>
To: "Wathsala Wathawana Vithanage" <wathsala.vithanage@arm.com>,
	"Shunzhi Wen" <Shunzhi.Wen@arm.com>,
	"thomas@monjalon.net" <thomas@monjalon.net>,
	"Mattias Rönnblom" <mattias.ronnblom@ericsson.com>,
	"Ruifeng Wang" <Ruifeng.Wang@arm.com>,
	"Bruce Richardson" <bruce.richardson@intel.com>,
	"Tyler Retzlaff" <roretzla@linux.microsoft.com>,
	"Min Zhou" <zhoumin@loongson.cn>,
	"David Christensen" <drc@linux.ibm.com>,
	"Stanislaw Kardach" <stanislaw.kardach@gmail.com>,
	"Konstantin Ananyev" <konstantin.v.ananyev@yandex.ru>
Cc: "dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>, nd <nd@arm.com>,
	Jack Bond-Preston <Jack.Bond-Preston@arm.com>,
	Dhruv Tripathi <Dhruv.Tripathi@arm.com>,
	Honnappa Nagarahalli <Honnappa.Nagarahalli@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] eal: add support for TRNG with Arm RNG feature
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2024 21:11:34 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9bbb7959-48f1-4416-bdcc-af2403fcac4f@lysator.liu.se> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AM0PR08MB507387C2D49C65DD76F5CC0C9FB72@AM0PR08MB5073.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com>

On 2024-07-29 20:16, Wathsala Wathawana Vithanage wrote:
>>
>> Without a rationale why rte_csrand() functionality is something that should be
>> in DPDK, and a rationale why the ARM CPU CSRNG is superior to getentropy(),
>> it doesn't really matter how the patch set looks like.
>>
>> I've repeatedly asked for this information, and you've repeatedly ignored it.
>> This does not further your cause.
>>
>   
> I don't want to get into a debate on what's more superior because DPDK already have similar
> Setups, take OpenSSL and Marvell's security accelerator for instance. Rationale is simple it boils
> down to freedom of choice.
> 
> I have been reiterating that I'm ready to make Kernel getrandom() the default in rte_csrand()
> and HW RNG (not limited Arm) a build time option along with your other demands for various
> optimizations. Having a build time option to enable HW CSRNG doesn't hinder your freedom to
> choose a CSRNG implementation of your linking.
> Neither you nor I are in a place to decide what's right for others; the best we can do is to
> collaborate on providing them with options. Leave the decision to users, application developers,
> and integrators.
> 
> I believe that the coexistence of support for OpenSSL and other HW security accelerators in
> DPDK already establishes rationale and precedent.
> 
> 

I feel no obligation to offer (potentially relatively uninformed) DPDK 
users with options which I suspect have no benefits, only drawbacks. In 
the x86_64 HW RNG case, I think it's fair to say we *know* it's bad idea 
to use it as a high-performance CSRNG. In the ARM case, you choose to 
leave us in the dark, so I can only assume it looks similar there.

The typical networking SoC's crypto-related hardware offload can pretty 
much always demonstrate benefits.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-07-29 19:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-07-23 21:27 Shunzhi Wen
2024-07-24  6:40 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-07-24 14:35   ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-07-24 15:07     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-07-24 16:16       ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-07-24 19:14         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-07-24 20:02           ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-07-25  4:48             ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-07-25 14:56               ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-07-26 18:34   ` Shunzhi Wen
2024-07-26 19:00     ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-07-26 20:12       ` Wathsala Wathawana Vithanage
2024-07-26 22:33     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-07-27 15:45       ` Wathsala Wathawana Vithanage
2024-07-27 15:54         ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-07-27 22:27           ` Wathsala Wathawana Vithanage
2024-07-27 23:55             ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-07-28  6:46               ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-07-29  4:48               ` Wathsala Wathawana Vithanage
2024-07-27 17:07         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-07-27 22:45           ` Wathsala Wathawana Vithanage
2024-07-28  6:42             ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-07-28 15:52               ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-07-29  4:34                 ` Wathsala Wathawana Vithanage
2024-07-29  6:34               ` Wathsala Wathawana Vithanage
2024-07-29  6:47                 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-07-29 18:16                   ` Wathsala Wathawana Vithanage
2024-07-29 18:31                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-07-29 19:11                     ` Mattias Rönnblom [this message]
2024-07-29 19:30                       ` Morten Brørup

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=9bbb7959-48f1-4416-bdcc-af2403fcac4f@lysator.liu.se \
    --to=hofors@lysator.liu.se \
    --cc=Dhruv.Tripathi@arm.com \
    --cc=Honnappa.Nagarahalli@arm.com \
    --cc=Jack.Bond-Preston@arm.com \
    --cc=Ruifeng.Wang@arm.com \
    --cc=Shunzhi.Wen@arm.com \
    --cc=bruce.richardson@intel.com \
    --cc=dev@dpdk.org \
    --cc=drc@linux.ibm.com \
    --cc=konstantin.v.ananyev@yandex.ru \
    --cc=mattias.ronnblom@ericsson.com \
    --cc=nd@arm.com \
    --cc=roretzla@linux.microsoft.com \
    --cc=stanislaw.kardach@gmail.com \
    --cc=thomas@monjalon.net \
    --cc=wathsala.vithanage@arm.com \
    --cc=zhoumin@loongson.cn \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for NNTP newsgroup(s).