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From: Shahaf Shuler <shahafs@mellanox.com>
To: Alejandro Lucero <alejandro.lucero@netronome.com>
Cc: "Burakov, Anatoly" <anatoly.burakov@intel.com>,
	Yongseok Koh <yskoh@mellanox.com>,
	Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net>,
	Ferruh Yigit <ferruh.yigit@intel.com>,
	"nhorman@tuxdriver.com" <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>,
	Gaetan Rivet <gaetan.rivet@6wind.com>, dev <dev@dpdk.org>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 0/6] introduce DMA memory mapping for	external memory
Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2019 19:24:11 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <AM0PR0502MB3795448496DA4721C809ECE6C3660@AM0PR0502MB3795.eurprd05.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAD+H9922gjrmwbRr5Qo7cVqvE5DBJj27hvq-+_16GAPjYWbBcg@mail.gmail.com>

Wednesday, February 13, 2019 1:43 PM, Alejandro Lucero:
> Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 0/6] introduce DMA memory mapping for
> external memory
> 
> On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 9:11 AM Shahaf Shuler <shahafs@mellanox.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > This series is in continue to RFC[1].
> >
> > The DPDK APIs expose 3 different modes to work with memory used for
> DMA:
> >
> > 1. Use the DPDK owned memory (backed by the DPDK provided
> hugepages).
> > This memory is allocated by the DPDK libraries, included in the DPDK
> > memory system (memseg lists) and automatically DMA mapped by the
> DPDK
> > layers.
> >
> > 2. Use memory allocated by the user and register to the DPDK memory
> > systems. This is also referred as external memory. Upon registration
> > of the external memory, the DPDK layers will DMA map it to all needed
> > devices.
> >
> > 3. Use memory allocated by the user and not registered to the DPDK
> > memory system. This is for users who wants to have tight control on
> > this memory. The user will need to explicitly call DMA map function in
> > order to register such memory to the different devices.
> >
> > The scope of the patch focus on #3 above.
> >
> >
> Why can not we have case 2 covering case 3?

Because it is not our choice rather the DPDK application. 
We could not allow it, and force the application to register their external memory to the DPDK memory management system. However IMO it will be wrong.
The use case exists  - some application wants to manage their memory by themselves. w/o the extra overhead of rte_malloc, without creating a special socket to populate the memory and without redundant API calls to rte_extmem_*.

Simply allocate chunk of memory, DMA map it to device and that’s it. 

> 
> 
> > Currently the only way to map external memory is through VFIO
> > (rte_vfio_dma_map). While VFIO is common, there are other vendors
> > which use different ways to map memory (e.g. Mellanox and NXP).
> >
> >
> As you say, VFIO is common, and when allowing DMAs programmed in user
> space, the right thing to do.

It is common indeed. Why it the right thing to do? 

 I'm assuming there is an IOMMU hardware and
> this is what Mellanox and NXP rely on in some way or another.

For Mellanox, the device works with virtual memory, not physical. If you think of it, it is more secure for user space application. Mellanox device has internal memory translation unit between virtual memory and physical memory. 
IOMMU can be added on top of it, in case the host doesn't trust the device or the device is given to untrusted entity like VM. 

> 
> Having each driver doing things in their own way will end up in a harder to
> validate system. 

Different vendors will have different HW implementations. We cannot force everybody to align the IOMMU.
What we can do, is to ease the user life and provide vendor agnostic APIs which just provide the needed functionality. On our case DMA map and unmap.
The user should not care if its IOMMU, Mellanox memory registration through verbs or NXP special mapping. 

The sys admin should set/unset the IOMMU as a general mean of protection. And this of course will work also w/ Mellanox devices. 

If there is an IOMMU hardware, same mechanism should be
> used always, leaving to the IOMMU hw specific implementation to deal with
> the details. If a NIC is IOMMU-able, that should not  be supported by specific
> vendor drivers but through a generic solution like VFIO which will validate a
> device with such capability and to perform the required actions for that case.
> VFIO and IOMMU should be modified as needed for supporting this
> requirement instead of leaving vendor drivers to implement their own
> solution.

Again - I am against of forcing every PCI device to use VFIO, and I don't think IOMMU as a HW device should control other PCI devices.
I see nothing wrong with device which also has extra capabilities of memory translation, and adds another level of security to the user application.  

> 
> In any case, I think this support should be in a different patchset than the
> private user space mappings.
> 
> 
> 
> > The work in this patch moves the DMA mapping to vendor agnostic APIs.
> > A new map and unmap ops were added to rte_bus structure.
> > Implementation of those was done currently only on the PCI bus. The
> > implementation takes the driver map and umap implementation as bypass
> to the VFIO mapping.
> > That is, in case of no specific map/unmap from the PCI driver, VFIO
> > mapping, if possible, will be used.
> >
> > Application use with those APIs is quite simple:
> > * allocate memory
> > * take a device, and query its rte_device.
> > * call the bus map function for this device.
> >
> > Future work will deprecate the rte_vfio_dma_map and
> rte_vfio_dma_unmap
> > APIs, leaving the PCI device APIs as the preferred option for the user.
> >
> > [1]
> >
> https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpat
> >
> ches.dpdk.org%2Fpatch%2F47796%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7Cshahafs%40
> mellanox
> >
> .com%7Cdc209a2ceace48c0452008d691a8762d%7Ca652971c7d2e4d9ba6a4d1
> 49256f
> >
> 461b%7C0%7C0%7C636856550053348339&amp;sdata=3TEUJfS9jBOsbvaPYwo
> itQLj7o
> > h9VCrtaK7We%2FItg5c%3D&amp;reserved=0
> >
> > Shahaf Shuler (6):
> >   vfio: allow DMA map of memory for the default vfio fd
> >   vfio: don't fail to DMA map if memory is already mapped
> >   bus: introduce DMA memory mapping for external memory
> >   net/mlx5: refactor external memory registration
> >   net/mlx5: support PCI device DMA map and unmap
> >   doc: deprecate VFIO DMA map APIs
> >
> >  doc/guides/prog_guide/env_abstraction_layer.rst |   2 +-
> >  doc/guides/rel_notes/deprecation.rst            |   4 +
> >  drivers/bus/pci/pci_common.c                    |  78 +++++++
> >  drivers/bus/pci/rte_bus_pci.h                   |  14 ++
> >  drivers/net/mlx5/mlx5.c                         |   2 +
> >  drivers/net/mlx5/mlx5_mr.c                      | 232 ++++++++++++++++---
> >  drivers/net/mlx5/mlx5_rxtx.h                    |   5 +
> >  lib/librte_eal/common/eal_common_bus.c          |  22 ++
> >  lib/librte_eal/common/include/rte_bus.h         |  57 +++++
> >  lib/librte_eal/common/include/rte_vfio.h        |  12 +-
> >  lib/librte_eal/linuxapp/eal/eal_vfio.c          |  26 ++-
> >  lib/librte_eal/rte_eal_version.map              |   2 +
> >  12 files changed, 418 insertions(+), 38 deletions(-)
> >
> > --
> > 2.12.0
> >
> >

  reply	other threads:[~2019-02-13 19:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-02-13  9:10 Shahaf Shuler
2019-02-13  9:10 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 1/6] vfio: allow DMA map of memory for the default vfio fd Shahaf Shuler
2019-02-13  9:45   ` Gaëtan Rivet
2019-02-13 11:38     ` Gaëtan Rivet
2019-02-13 15:23     ` Shahaf Shuler
2019-02-13 14:41   ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-02-13  9:10 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 2/6] vfio: don't fail to DMA map if memory is already mapped Shahaf Shuler
2019-02-13  9:58   ` Gaëtan Rivet
2019-02-13 19:52     ` Shahaf Shuler
2019-02-13  9:10 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 3/6] bus: introduce DMA memory mapping for external memory Shahaf Shuler
2019-02-13 11:17   ` Gaëtan Rivet
2019-02-13 19:07     ` Shahaf Shuler
2019-02-14 14:00       ` Gaëtan Rivet
2019-02-17  6:23         ` Shahaf Shuler
2019-02-13  9:10 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 4/6] net/mlx5: refactor external memory registration Shahaf Shuler
2019-02-13  9:10 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 5/6] net/mlx5: support PCI device DMA map and unmap Shahaf Shuler
2019-02-13 11:35   ` Gaëtan Rivet
2019-02-13 11:44     ` Gaëtan Rivet
2019-02-13 19:11       ` Shahaf Shuler
2019-02-14 10:21         ` Gaëtan Rivet
2019-02-21  9:21           ` Shahaf Shuler
2019-02-13  9:10 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 6/6] doc: deprecate VFIO DMA map APIs Shahaf Shuler
2019-02-13 11:43 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 0/6] introduce DMA memory mapping for external memory Alejandro Lucero
2019-02-13 19:24   ` Shahaf Shuler [this message]
2019-02-14 10:19     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-02-14 13:28       ` Shahaf Shuler
2019-02-14 16:19         ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-02-17  6:18           ` Shahaf Shuler
2019-02-18 12:21             ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-02-14 12:22     ` Alejandro Lucero
2019-02-14 12:27       ` Alejandro Lucero
2019-02-14 13:41       ` Shahaf Shuler
2019-02-14 16:43         ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-02-21 14:50 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 " Shahaf Shuler
2019-03-05 13:59   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 " Shahaf Shuler
2019-03-10  8:27     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 " Shahaf Shuler
2019-03-10  8:27       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 1/6] vfio: allow DMA map of memory for the default vfio fd Shahaf Shuler
2019-03-30  0:23         ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-03-30  0:23           ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-03-30 14:29           ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-03-30 14:29             ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-03-10  8:27       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 2/6] vfio: don't fail to DMA map if memory is already mapped Shahaf Shuler
2019-03-10  8:28       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 3/6] bus: introduce device level DMA memory mapping Shahaf Shuler
2019-03-11 10:19         ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-03-13  9:56         ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-03-13 11:12           ` Shahaf Shuler
2019-03-13 11:19             ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-03-13 11:47               ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-03-30 14:36             ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-03-30 14:36               ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-03-10  8:28       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 4/6] net/mlx5: refactor external memory registration Shahaf Shuler
2019-03-10  8:28       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 5/6] net/mlx5: support PCI device DMA map and unmap Shahaf Shuler
2019-03-10  8:28       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 6/6] doc: deprecation notice for VFIO DMA map APIs Shahaf Shuler
2019-03-11 10:20         ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-03-11 17:35           ` Rami Rosen
2019-10-01 15:20         ` David Marchand
2019-10-02  4:53           ` Shahaf Shuler
2019-10-02  7:51             ` David Marchand
2019-03-11  9:27       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 0/6] introduce DMA memory mapping for external memory Gaëtan Rivet
2019-03-30 14:40       ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-03-30 14:40         ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-03-05 13:59   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 1/6] vfio: allow DMA map of memory for the default vfio fd Shahaf Shuler
2019-03-05 13:59   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 2/6] vfio: don't fail to DMA map if memory is already mapped Shahaf Shuler
2019-03-05 13:59   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 3/6] bus: introduce device level DMA memory mapping Shahaf Shuler
2019-03-05 16:35     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-03-05 13:59   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 4/6] net/mlx5: refactor external memory registration Shahaf Shuler
2019-03-05 13:59   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 5/6] net/mlx5: support PCI device DMA map and unmap Shahaf Shuler
2019-03-05 13:59   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 6/6] doc: deprecation notice for VFIO DMA map APIs Shahaf Shuler
2019-02-21 14:50 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 1/6] vfio: allow DMA map of memory for the default vfio fd Shahaf Shuler
2019-02-28 11:56   ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-02-21 14:50 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 2/6] vfio: don't fail to DMA map if memory is already mapped Shahaf Shuler
2019-02-28 11:58   ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-02-21 14:50 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 3/6] bus: introduce device level DMA memory mapping Shahaf Shuler
2019-02-28 12:14   ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-02-28 14:41     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-02-21 14:50 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 4/6] net/mlx5: refactor external memory registration Shahaf Shuler
2019-02-21 14:50 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 5/6] net/mlx5: support PCI device DMA map and unmap Shahaf Shuler
2019-02-21 14:50 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 6/6] doc: deprecate VFIO DMA map APIs Shahaf Shuler
2019-02-21 15:50   ` David Marchand

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