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From: "Ananyev, Konstantin" <konstantin.ananyev@intel.com>
To: "Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>,
	"Richardson,  Bruce" <bruce.richardson@intel.com>
Cc: Jan Viktorin <viktorin@rehivetech.com>,
	Ruifeng Wang <ruifeng.wang@arm.com>,
	David Christensen <drc@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	"dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>
Subject: RE: rte_memcpy alignment
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2022 10:54:14 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <DM6PR11MB4491153BCBAD490564F62C509A549@DM6PR11MB4491.namprd11.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <98CBD80474FA8B44BF855DF32C47DC35D86E02@smartserver.smartshare.dk>



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Morten Brørup <mb@smartsharesystems.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 9:54 AM
> To: Richardson, Bruce <bruce.richardson@intel.com>
> Cc: Jan Viktorin <viktorin@rehivetech.com>; Ruifeng Wang <ruifeng.wang@arm.com>; David Christensen <drc@linux.vnet.ibm.com>;
> Ananyev, Konstantin <konstantin.ananyev@intel.com>; dev@dpdk.org
> Subject: RE: rte_memcpy alignment
> 
> > From: Bruce Richardson [mailto:bruce.richardson@intel.com]
> > Sent: Friday, 14 January 2022 10.11
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 14, 2022 at 09:56:50AM +0100, Morten Brørup wrote:
> > > Dear ARM/POWER/x86 maintainers,
> > >
> > > The architecture specific rte_memcpy() provides optimized variants to
> > copy aligned data. However, the alignment requirements depend on the
> > hardware architecture, and there is no common definition for the
> > alignment.
> > >
> > > DPDK provides __rte_cache_aligned for cache optimization purposes,
> > with architecture specific values. Would you consider providing an
> > __rte_memcpy_aligned for rte_memcpy() optimization purposes?
> > >
> > > Or should I just use __rte_cache_aligned, although it is overkill?
> > >
> > >
> > > Specifically, I am working on a mempool optimization where the objs
> > field in the rte_mempool_cache structure may benefit by being aligned
> > for optimized rte_memcpy().
> > >
> > For me the difficulty with such a memcpy proposal - apart from probably
> > adding to the amount of memcpy code we have to maintain - is the
> > specific meaning
> > of what "aligned" in the memcpy case. Unlike for a struct definition,
> > the
> > possible meaning of aligned in memcpy could be:
> > * the source address is aligned
> > * the destination address is aligned
> > * both source and destination is aligned
> > * both source and destination are aligned and the copy length is a
> > multiple
> >   of the alignment length
> > * the data is aligned to a cacheline boundary
> > * the data is aligned to the largest load-store size for system
> > * the data is aligned to the boundary suitable for the copy size, e.g.
> >   memcpy of 8 bytes is 8-byte aligned etc.
> >
> > Can you clarify a bit more on your own thinking here? Personally, I am
> > a
> > little dubious of the benefit of general memcpy optimization, but I do
> > believe that for specific usecases there is value is having their own
> > copy
> > operations which include constraints for that specific usecase. For
> > example, in the AVX-512 ice/i40e PMD code, we fold the memcpy from the
> > mempool cache into the descriptor rearm function because we know we can
> > always do 64-byte loads and stores, and also because we know that for
> > each
> > load in the copy, we can reuse the data just after storing it (giving
> > good
> > perf boost). Perhaps something similar could work for you in your
> > mempool
> > optimization.
> >
> > /Bruce
> 
> I'm going to copy array of pointers, specifically the 'objs' array in the rte_mempool_cache structure.
> 
> The 'objs' array starts at byte 24, which is only 8 byte aligned. So it always fails the ALIGNMENT_MASK test in the x86 specific
> rte_memcpy(), and thus cannot ever use the optimized rte_memcpy_aligned() function to copy the array, but will use the
> rte_memcpy_generic() function.
> 
> If the 'objs' array was optimally aligned, and the other array that is being copied to/from is also optimally aligned, rte_memcpy() would use
> the optimized rte_memcpy_aligned() function.
> 
> Please also note that the value of ALIGNMENT_MASK depends on which vector instruction set DPDK is being compiled with.
> 
> The other CPU architectures have similar stuff in their rte_memcpy() implementations, and their alignment requirements are also different.
> 
> Please also note that rte_memcpy() becomes even more optimized when the size of the memcpy() operation is known at compile time.

If the size is known at compile time, rte_memcpy() probably an overkill - modern compilers usually generate fast enough code for such cases.

> 
> So I am asking for a public #define __rte_memcpy_aligned I can use to meet the alignment requirements for optimal rte_memcpy().

Even on x86 ALIGNMENT_MASK could have different values (15/31/63) depending on ISA.
So probably 64 as 'generic' one is the safest bet.
Though I wonder do we really need such micro-optimizations here?
Would it be such huge difference if you call rte_memcpy_aligned() instead of rte_memcpy()?

  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-01-14 10:54 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-01-14  8:56 Morten Brørup
2022-01-14  9:11 ` Bruce Richardson
2022-01-14  9:53   ` Morten Brørup
2022-01-14 10:22     ` Bruce Richardson
2022-01-14 10:54     ` Ananyev, Konstantin [this message]
2022-01-14 11:05       ` Morten Brørup
2022-01-14 11:51         ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2022-01-17 12:03           ` Morten Brørup

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