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From: "Varghese, Vipin" <Vipin.Varghese@amd.com>
To: "Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>,
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Subject: RE: [RFC v3 1/3] eal/lcore: add topology based functions
Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2024 12:14:30 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <PH7PR12MB859609E182C33298031DFA9182512@PH7PR12MB8596.namprd12.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <98CBD80474FA8B44BF855DF32C47DC35E9F86D@smartserver.smartshare.dk>

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> 
> > > Does the API need to be prepared for L4 cache?
> > > https://www.anandtech.com/show/16924/did-ibm-just-preview-the-future
> > > -
> > of-caches
> > Thank you for the pointer, yes initial patch was considering L4 cache
> > too. But I was not able to get hold of system or get someone to test
> > this with L4.
> > Hence removed the L4 instance from dpdk_topology structure.
> >
> > We can introduce into v4. Can we get someone from IBM to confirm the
> > same?
> 
> If any of the CPU folks think L4 cache might become relevant in the foreseeable
> future, it should be added to the API without testing at this time. 

I remember 3 L4 cache scenario 
 1. from IBM power-9 variant suggested in 2020-2021 in hot chips 
 2. from Intel
  a. Haswell|Broadwell series with eDram as L4
  b. future product (at least in desktop) with L4 cache.

> Adding it now would prevent API breakage whenever L4 cache actually becomes relevant.
> Otherwise please don't support for it - considering it would be dead and untested
> code.

I can add the same to the DPDK topology probe in v4, on AMD EPYC v-cache is treated as extended L3 and not L4. Hence will not be able to test on AMD EPYC.

> 
> >
> > >
> > > And - just a thought:
> > > Since this library and the Cache Stashing (PCIe TLP) library are
> > somewhat related,
> > > would it be beneficial to combine them into one patch series,
> > primarily to make their
> > > APIs more uniform?
> >
> > There was initial zoom invite for understanding and usage, we expected
> > a follow up on the same to close the loop.
> > Based on my current understanding, the API to be used as hints to PMD
> > should be passing `lcore id` only.
> > Hence these can be independent.
> 
> The Cache Stashing hints API uses a more specific destination than just "lcore id".
> The implementations of this Topology library and the Cache Stashing library may be
> completely independent, but the structure describing a location in the topology could
> be common.
Thank you, now I understand,

> 
> Maybe I should say this differently:
> Wathsala and other folks working on the Cache Stashing API, you need to keep a
> close eye on this Topology patch series!
> We might expect the Cache Stashing API to reuse relevant structures from it.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-04 12:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-30  5:41 [RFC v3 0/3] Introduce Topology NUMA grouping for lcores Vipin Varghese
2024-10-30  5:41 ` [RFC v3 1/3] eal/lcore: add topology based functions Vipin Varghese
2024-10-30 15:43   ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-11-04  3:09     ` Varghese, Vipin
2024-10-30 15:44   ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-11-04  3:13     ` Varghese, Vipin
2024-11-04  8:45     ` Mattias Rönnblom
2024-10-30 15:45   ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-11-04  3:13     ` Varghese, Vipin
2024-10-30 15:47   ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-11-04  3:16     ` Varghese, Vipin
2024-11-04  7:57   ` Morten Brørup
2024-11-04  9:56     ` Varghese, Vipin
2024-11-04 11:21       ` Morten Brørup
2024-11-04 12:14         ` Varghese, Vipin [this message]
2024-11-04 12:29           ` Morten Brørup
2024-11-04 13:08             ` Varghese, Vipin
2024-11-04 14:04               ` Morten Brørup
2024-11-05  2:17                 ` Varghese, Vipin
2024-10-30  5:41 ` [RFC v3 2/3] test/lcore: enable tests for topology Vipin Varghese
2024-10-30 11:50   ` [EXTERNAL] " Pavan Nikhilesh Bhagavatula
2024-11-04  3:07     ` Varghese, Vipin
2024-10-30  5:41 ` [RFC v3 3/3] examples: add lcore topology API calls Vipin Varghese
2024-10-30 11:49   ` [EXTERNAL] " Pavan Nikhilesh Bhagavatula
2024-10-30 12:06     ` Varghese, Vipin
2024-10-30 12:37       ` Varghese, Vipin
2024-10-30 19:34         ` Pavan Nikhilesh Bhagavatula
2024-11-04  3:02           ` Varghese, Vipin

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