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From: Bruce Richardson <bruce.richardson@intel.com>
To: "Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>
Cc: Didier Pallard <didier.pallard@6wind.com>,
	Akhil Goyal <gakhil@marvell.com>,
	Fan Zhang <fanzhang.oss@gmail.com>,
	Olivier Matz <olivier.matz@6wind.com>, <thomas@monjalon.net>,
	<dev@dpdk.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC] Fix cryptodev socket id for devices on unknown NUMA node
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2023 13:59:18 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Y8aptk4Lvsn+QUGg@bricha3-MOBL.ger.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <98CBD80474FA8B44BF855DF32C47DC35D8767E@smartserver.smartshare.dk>

On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 02:36:21PM +0100, Morten Brørup wrote:
> > From: Bruce Richardson [mailto:bruce.richardson@intel.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2023 14.04
> > 
> > On Tue, Jan 17, 2023 at 12:32:14PM +0100, Morten Brørup wrote:
> > > > From: Didier Pallard [mailto:didier.pallard@6wind.com]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, 17 January 2023 11.17
> > > >
> > > > Since DPDK 22.11 and below commit:
> > > >
> > https://git.dpdk.org/dpdk/commit/?id=7dcd73e37965ba0bfa430efeac362fe183
> > > > ed0ae2
> > > > rte_cryptodev_socket_id() could return an incorrect value of 255.
> > > > Problem has been seen during configuration of the qat device
> > > > on an Atom C3000 architecture. On this arch, PCI is not depending
> > on
> > > > any numa socket, causing device numa_node to be equal to
> > SOCKET_ID_ANY.
> > >
> > > Disclaimer: I'm not up to speed with this topic or patch, so feel
> > free to ignore my comments here! I'm only speaking up because I fear we
> > are increasing the risk of bugs here. But again, please bear with me,
> > if I have totally misunderstood this!
> > >
> > > I was under the impression that single-socket systems used socket_id
> > 0 as default. How can the PCI bus (or QAT device) not depend on any
> > socket? It must be connected somewhere.
> > >
> > > Doesn't assigning socket_id = -1 for devices (QAT or anything else)
> > introduce a big risk of bugs, e.g. in comparisons? The special
> > socket_id value -1 should have only two meanings: 1) return value
> > "error", or 2) input value "any". Now it also can mean 3) "unknown"?
> > How do comparison functions work for that... is "any" == "unknown"? And
> > does searching for "0" match "unknown"? It might, or might not, but
> > searching for "any" does match "0". And how about searching for
> > "unknown", if such a value is propagate around in the system.
> > >
> > > And if we started considering socket_id == -1 valid with that patch,
> > should the return type of rte_socket_id(void) be signed instead of
> > unsigned?
> > >
> > The issue here is that not all PCI endpoints connect directly to a
> > socket,
> > some connect to the chipset instead, and so do not have any numa
> > affinity.
> > That was the original meaning of the "-1" value, and it came about from
> > an
> > era before we had on-die PCI endpoints.
> 
> Thank you for elaborating, Bruce. Now I get it!
> 
> Then it does make sense instantiating devices with socket_id = -1.
> 
> A minor detail: SOCKET_ID_ANY is defined in lib/eal/include/rte_memory.h [1]. Since it is being used for other purposes than memory allocation, it could move to a more central location. No good ideas from me, but perhaps memory and devices have an appropriate header file in common.
> 
> [1]: https://elixir.bootlin.com/dpdk/latest/source/lib/eal/include/rte_memory.h#L38
> 
> And the multiple purposes of SOCKET_ID_ANY (e.g. what you just described) could be mentioned as a comment with its definition.
> 

Agreed.

> And I'm still worried about the risk of comparison bugs, e.g. when requesting allocation of a device resource, you cannot specify a preference for a device that is connected to the chipset, because the SOCKET_ID_ANY in the allocation request would be interpreted as "any socket" instead of "no socket".
> 
> Although that might just be me worrying too much. ;-)
>
No, I think you may be on to something. I wonder if it would break a lot of
things to define another magic constant for SOCKET_NONE (or SOCKET_ID_NONE)
to cover the case where a device is not connected to a socket. That woudl
allow SOCKET_ID_ANY to have a single meaning.

/Bruce 

  reply	other threads:[~2023-01-17 13:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-01-17 10:16 Didier Pallard
2023-01-17 11:32 ` Morten Brørup
2023-01-17 13:03   ` Bruce Richardson
2023-01-17 13:36     ` Morten Brørup
2023-01-17 13:59       ` Bruce Richardson [this message]
2023-01-18  8:52         ` Morten Brørup

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