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From: Bruce Richardson <bruce.richardson@intel.com>
To: "Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>
Cc: "Mattias Rönnblom" <hofors@lysator.liu.se>,
	dev@dpdk.org, olivier.matz@6wind.com,
	andrew.rybchenko@oktetlabs.ru, honnappa.nagarahalli@arm.com,
	konstantin.v.ananyev@yandex.ru, mattias.ronnblom@ericsson.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] cache guard
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2023 08:57:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZOxTU5zOns8j3n/q@bricha3-MOBL.ger.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <98CBD80474FA8B44BF855DF32C47DC35D87B49@smartserver.smartshare.dk>

On Sun, Aug 27, 2023 at 05:40:33PM +0200, Morten Brørup wrote:
> > From: Mattias Rönnblom [mailto:hofors@lysator.liu.se]
> > Sent: Sunday, 27 August 2023 15.55
> > 
> > On 2023-08-27 10:34, Morten Brørup wrote:
> > > +CC Honnappa and Konstantin, Ring lib maintainers
> > > +CC Mattias, PRNG lib maintainer
> > >
> > >> From: Bruce Richardson [mailto:bruce.richardson@intel.com]
> > >> Sent: Friday, 25 August 2023 11.24
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 11:06:01AM +0200, Morten Brørup wrote:
> > >>> +CC mempool maintainers
> > >>>
> > >>>> From: Bruce Richardson [mailto:bruce.richardson@intel.com]
> > >>>> Sent: Friday, 25 August 2023 10.23
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Fri, Aug 25, 2023 at 08:45:12AM +0200, Morten Brørup wrote:
> > >>>>> Bruce,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> With this patch [1], it is noted that the ring producer and
> > >> consumer data
> > >>>> should not be on adjacent cache lines, for performance reasons.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> [1]:
> > >>>>
> > >>
> > https://git.dpdk.org/dpdk/commit/lib/librte_ring/rte_ring.h?id=d9f0d3a1f
> > >> fd4b66
> > >>>> e75485cc8b63b9aedfbdfe8b0
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> (It's obvious that they cannot share the same cache line, because
> > >> they are
> > >>>> accessed by two different threads.)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Intuitively, I would think that having them on different cache
> > >> lines would
> > >>>> suffice. Why does having an empty cache line between them make a
> > >> difference?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> And does it need to be an empty cache line? Or does it suffice
> > >> having the
> > >>>> second structure start at two cache lines after the start of the
> > >> first
> > >>>> structure (e.g. if the size of the first structure is two cache
> > >> lines)?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I'm asking because the same principle might apply to other code
> > >> too.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> Hi Morten,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> this was something we discovered when working on the distributor
> > >> library.
> > >>>> If we have cachelines per core where there is heavy access, having
> > >> some
> > >>>> cachelines as a gap between the content cachelines can help
> > >> performance. We
> > >>>> believe this helps due to avoiding issues with the HW prefetchers
> > >> (e.g.
> > >>>> adjacent cacheline prefetcher) bringing in the second cacheline
> > >>>> speculatively when an operation is done on the first line.
> > >>>
> > >>> I guessed that it had something to do with speculative prefetching,
> > >> but wasn't sure. Good to get confirmation, and that it has a
> > measureable
> > >> effect somewhere. Very interesting!
> > >>>
> > >>> NB: More comments in the ring lib about stuff like this would be
> > nice.
> > >>>
> > >>> So, for the mempool lib, what do you think about applying the same
> > >> technique to the rte_mempool_debug_stats structure (which is an array
> > >> indexed per lcore)... Two adjacent lcores heavily accessing their
> > local
> > >> mempool caches seems likely to me. But how heavy does the access need
> > to
> > >> be for this technique to be relevant?
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> No idea how heavy the accesses need to be for this to have a
> > noticable
> > >> effect. For things like debug stats, I wonder how worthwhile making
> > such
> > >> a
> > >> change would be, but then again, any change would have very low
> > impact
> > >> too
> > >> in that case.
> > >
> > > I just tried adding padding to some of the hot structures in our own
> > application, and observed a significant performance improvement for
> > those.
> > >
> > > So I think this technique should have higher visibility in DPDK by
> > adding a new cache macro to rte_common.h:
> > >
> > > /**
> > >   * Empty cache line, to guard against speculative prefetching.
> > >   *
> > 
> > "to guard against false sharing-like effects on systems with a
> > next-N-lines hardware prefetcher"
> > 
> > >   * Use as spacing between data accessed by different lcores,
> > >   * to prevent cache thrashing on CPUs with speculative prefetching.
> > >   */
> > > #define RTE_CACHE_GUARD(name) char
> > cache_guard_##name[RTE_CACHE_LINE_SIZE] __rte_cache_aligned;
> > >
> > 
> > You could have a macro which specified how much guarding there needs to
> > be, ideally defined on a per-CPU basis. (These things has nothing to do
> > with the ISA, but everything to do with the implementation.)
> > 
> > I'm not sure N is always 1.
> > 
> > So the guard padding should be RTE_CACHE_LINE_SIZE *
> > RTE_CACHE_GUARD_LINES bytes, and wrap the whole thing in
> > #if RTE_CACHE_GUARD_LINES > 0
> > #endif
> > 
> > ...so you can disable this (cute!) hack (on custom DPDK builds) in case
> > you have disabled hardware prefetching, which seems generally to be a
> > good idea for packet processing type applications.
> > 
> > ...which leads me to another suggestions: add a note on disabling
> > hardware prefetching in the optimization guide.
> > 
> > Seems like a very good idea to have this in <rte_common.h>, and
> > otherwise make this issue visible and known.
> 
> Good points, Mattias!
> 
> I also prefer the name-less macro you suggested below.
> 
> So, this gets added to rte_common.h:
> 
> /**
>  * Empty cache lines, to guard against false sharing-like effects
>  * on systems with a next-N-lines hardware prefetcher.
>  *
>  * Use as spacing between data accessed by different lcores,
>  * to prevent cache thrashing on hardware with speculative prefetching.
>  */
> #if RTE_CACHE_GUARD_LINES > 0
> #define _RTE_CACHE_GUARD_HELPER2(unique) \
>         char cache_guard_ ## unique[RTE_CACHE_LINE_SIZE * RTE_CACHE_GUARD_LINES] \
>         __rte_cache_aligned;
> #define _RTE_CACHE_GUARD_HELPER1(unique) _RTE_CACHE_GUARD_HELPER2(unique)
> #define RTE_CACHE_GUARD _RTE_CACHE_GUARD_HELPER1(__COUNTER__)
> #else
> #define RTE_CACHE_GUARD
> #endif
> 
> And a line in /config/x86/meson.build for x86 architecture:
> 
>   dpdk_conf.set('RTE_CACHE_LINE_SIZE', 64)
> + dpdk_conf.set('RTE_CACHE_GUARD_LINES', 1)
> 
> I don't know about various architectures and implementations, so we should probably use a default of 1, matching the existing guard size in the ring lib.
> 
> @Bruce, I hope you can help with the configuration part of this.
> 
This all seems a good idea. For the config, I'm not sure what is best
because I can't see many folks wanting to change the default very often.
I'd probably tend towards a value in rte_config.h file, but putting a
per-architecture default in meson.build is probably ok too, if we see
different archs wanting different defaults. A third alternative is maybe
just to put the #define in rte_common.h alongside the macro definition.

I don't think we want an actual meson config option for this, I see it
being too rarely used to make it worth expanding out that list.

/Bruce

  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-08-28  7:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-25  6:45 cache thrashing question Morten Brørup
2023-08-25  8:22 ` Bruce Richardson
2023-08-25  9:06   ` Morten Brørup
2023-08-25  9:23     ` Bruce Richardson
2023-08-27  8:34       ` [RFC] cache guard Morten Brørup
2023-08-27 13:55         ` Mattias Rönnblom
2023-08-27 15:40           ` Morten Brørup
2023-08-27 22:30             ` Mattias Rönnblom
2023-08-28  6:32               ` Morten Brørup
2023-08-28  8:46                 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2023-08-28  9:54                   ` Morten Brørup
2023-08-28 10:40                     ` Stephen Hemminger
2023-08-28  7:57             ` Bruce Richardson [this message]
2023-09-01 12:26         ` Thomas Monjalon
2023-09-01 16:57           ` Mattias Rönnblom
2023-09-01 18:52             ` Morten Brørup
2023-09-04 12:07               ` Mattias Rönnblom
2023-09-04 12:48                 ` Morten Brørup
2023-09-05  5:50                   ` Mattias Rönnblom

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