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From: Konstantin Ananyev <konstantin.ananyev@huawei.com>
To: Wathsala Vithanage <wathsala.vithanage@arm.com>,
	Honnappa Nagarahalli <honnappa.nagarahalli@arm.com>
Cc: "dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>,
	Ola Liljedahl <ola.liljedahl@arm.com>,
	Dhruv Tripathi <dhruv.tripathi@arm.com>
Subject: RE: [PATCH 1/1] ring: safe partial ordering for head/tail update
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2025 22:57:27 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <a5fae8a9edc947fdbaf4e2519c39f93e@huawei.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250915185451.533039-2-wathsala.vithanage@arm.com>



> The function __rte_ring_headtail_move_head() assumes that the barrier
> (fence) between the load of the head and the load-acquire of the
> opposing tail guarantees the following: if a first thread reads tail
> and then writes head and a second thread reads the new value of head
> and then reads tail, then it should observe the same (or a later)
> value of tail.
> 
> This assumption is incorrect under the C11 memory model. If the barrier
> (fence) is intended to establish a total ordering of ring operations,
> it fails to do so. Instead, the current implementation only enforces a
> partial ordering, which can lead to unsafe interleavings. In particular,
> some partial orders can cause underflows in free slot or available
> element computations, potentially resulting in data corruption.

Hmm... sounds exactly like the problem from the patch we discussed earlier that year:
https://patchwork.dpdk.org/project/dpdk/patch/20250521111432.207936-4-konstantin.ananyev@huawei.com/
In two words:
"... thread can see 'latest' 'cons.head' value, with 'previous' value for 'prod.tail' or visa-versa.
In other words: 'cons.head' value depends on 'prod.tail', so before making latest 'cons.head'
value visible to other threads, we need to ensure that latest 'prod.tail' is also visible."
Is that the one?

> The issue manifests when a CPU first acts as a producer and later as a
> consumer. In this scenario, the barrier assumption may fail when another
> core takes the consumer role. A Herd7 litmus test in C11 can demonstrate
> this violation. The problem has not been widely observed so far because:
>   (a) on strong memory models (e.g., x86-64) the assumption holds, and
>   (b) on relaxed models with RCsc semantics the ordering is still strong
>       enough to prevent hazards.
> The problem becomes visible only on weaker models, when load-acquire is
> implemented with RCpc semantics (e.g. some AArch64 CPUs which support
> the LDAPR and LDAPUR instructions).
> 
> Three possible solutions exist:
>   1. Strengthen ordering by upgrading release/acquire semantics to
>      sequential consistency. This requires using seq-cst for stores,
>      loads, and CAS operations. However, this approach introduces a
>      significant performance penalty on relaxed-memory architectures.
> 
>   2. Establish a safe partial order by enforcing a pair-wise
>      happens-before relationship between thread of same role by changing
>      the CAS and the preceding load of the head by converting them to
>      release and acquire respectively. This approach makes the original
>      barrier assumption unnecessary and allows its removal.

For the sake of clarity, can you outline what would be exact code changes for
approach #2? Same as in that patch:
https://patchwork.dpdk.org/project/dpdk/patch/20250521111432.207936-4-konstantin.ananyev@huawei.com/
Or something different?
 
>   3. Retain partial ordering but ensure only safe partial orders are
>      committed. This can be done by detecting underflow conditions
>      (producer < consumer) and quashing the update in such cases.
>      This approach makes the original barrier assumption unnecessary
>      and allows its removal.

> This patch implements solution (3) for performance reasons.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Wathsala Vithanage <wathsala.vithanage@arm.com>
> Signed-off-by: Ola Liljedahl <ola.liljedahl@arm.com>
> Reviewed-by: Honnappa Nagarahalli <honnappa.nagarahalli@arm.com>
> Reviewed-by: Dhruv Tripathi <dhruv.tripathi@arm.com>
> ---
>  lib/ring/rte_ring_c11_pvt.h | 10 +++++++---
>  1 file changed, 7 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/lib/ring/rte_ring_c11_pvt.h b/lib/ring/rte_ring_c11_pvt.h
> index b9388af0da..e5ac1f6b9e 100644
> --- a/lib/ring/rte_ring_c11_pvt.h
> +++ b/lib/ring/rte_ring_c11_pvt.h
> @@ -83,9 +83,6 @@ __rte_ring_headtail_move_head(struct rte_ring_headtail
> *d,
>  		/* Reset n to the initial burst count */
>  		n = max;
> 
> -		/* Ensure the head is read before tail */
> -		rte_atomic_thread_fence(rte_memory_order_acquire);
> -
>  		/* load-acquire synchronize with store-release of ht->tail
>  		 * in update_tail.
>  		 */

But then cons.head can be read a before prod.tail (and visa-versa), right?

> @@ -99,6 +96,13 @@ __rte_ring_headtail_move_head(struct rte_ring_headtail
> *d,
>  		 */
>  		*entries = (capacity + stail - *old_head);
> 
> +		/*
> +		 * Ensure the entries calculation was not based on a stale
> +		 * and unsafe stail observation that causes underflow.
> +		 */
> +		if ((int)*entries < 0)
> +			*entries = 0;
> +
>  		/* check that we have enough room in ring */
>  		if (unlikely(n > *entries))
>  			n = (behavior == RTE_RING_QUEUE_FIXED) ?
> --
> 2.43.0
> 


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-09-16 22:57 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-15 18:54 [PATCH 0/1] ring: correct ordering issue in " Wathsala Vithanage
2025-09-15 18:54 ` [PATCH 1/1] ring: safe partial ordering for " Wathsala Vithanage
2025-09-16 15:42   ` Bruce Richardson
2025-09-16 18:19     ` Ola Liljedahl
2025-09-17  7:47       ` Bruce Richardson
2025-09-16 22:57   ` Konstantin Ananyev [this message]
2025-09-16 23:08     ` Konstantin Ananyev
     [not found]     ` <2a611c3cf926d752a54b7655c27d6df874a2d0de.camel@arm.com>
2025-09-17  7:58       ` Konstantin Ananyev
2025-09-17  9:05         ` Ola Liljedahl

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