From: Bruce Richardson <bruce.richardson@intel.com>
To: "Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>
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Subject: Re: Fixing MBUF_FAST_FREE TX offload requirements?
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2025 10:09:09 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <aMvMNUxSslnM68OR@bricha3-mobl1.ger.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <98CBD80474FA8B44BF855DF32C47DC35F65442@smartserver.smartshare.dk>
On Thu, Sep 18, 2025 at 10:50:11AM +0200, Morten Brørup wrote:
> Dear NIC driver maintainers (CC: DPDK Tech Board),
>
> The DPDK Tech Board has discussed that patch [1] (included in DPDK 25.07) extended the documented requirements to the RTE_ETH_TX_OFFLOAD_MBUF_FAST_FREE offload.
> These changes put additional limitations on applications' use of the MBUF_FAST_FREE TX offload, and made MBUF_FAST_FREE mutually exclusive with MULTI_SEGS (which is typically used for jumbo frame support).
> The Tech Board discussed that these changes do not reflect the intention of the MBUF_FAST_FREE TX offload, and wants to fix it.
> Mainly, MBUF_FAST_FREE and MULTI_SEGS should not be mutually exclusive.
>
> The original RTE_ETH_TX_OFFLOAD_MBUF_FAST_FREE requirements were:
> When set, application must guarantee that
> 1) per-queue all mbufs come from the same mempool, and
> 2) mbufs have refcnt = 1.
>
> The patch added the following requirements to the MBUF_FAST_FREE offload, reflecting rte_pktmbuf_prefree_seg() postconditions:
> 3) mbufs are direct,
> 4) mbufs have next = NULL and nb_segs = 1.
>
> Now, the key question is:
> Can we roll back to the original two requirements?
> Or do the drivers also depend on the third and/or fourth requirements?
>
> <advertisement>
> Drivers freeing mbufs directly to a mempool should use the new rte_mbuf_raw_free_bulk() instead of rte_mempool_put_bulk(), so the preconditions for freeing mbufs directly into a mempool are validated in mbuf debug mode (with RTE_LIBRTE_MBUF_DEBUG enabled).
> Similarly, rte_mbuf_raw_alloc_bulk() should be used instead of rte_mempool_get_bulk().
> </advertisement>
>
> PS: The feature documentation [2] still reflects the original requirements.
>
> [1]: https://github.com/DPDK/dpdk/commit/55624173bacb2becaa67793b71391884876673c1
> [2]: https://elixir.bootlin.com/dpdk/v25.07/source/doc/guides/nics/features.rst#L125
>
>
> Venlig hilsen / Kind regards,
> -Morten Brørup
>
I'm a little torn on this question, because I can see benefits for both
approaches. Firstly, it would be nice if we made FAST_FREE as accessible
for driver use as it was originally, with minimal requirements. However, on
looking at the code, I believe that many drivers actually took it to mean
that scattered packets couldn't occur in that case either, so the use was
incorrect. Similarly, and secondly, if we do have the extra requirements
for FAST_FREE, it does mean that any use of it can be very, very minimal
and efficient, since we don't need to check anything before freeing the
buffers.
Given where we are now, I think keeping the more restrictive definition of
FAST_FREE is the way to go - keeping it exclusive with MULTI_SEGS - because
it means that we are less likely to have bugs. If we look to change it
back, I think we'd have to check all drivers to ensure they are using the
flag safely.
/Bruce
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-09-18 9:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 3+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-09-18 8:50 Morten Brørup
2025-09-18 9:09 ` Bruce Richardson [this message]
2025-09-18 10:00 ` Morten Brørup
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