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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: dev@dpdk.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: DPDK patches and discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: dev-bounces@dpdk.org Hi Stephen, On 10/30/24 22:56, Stephen Hemminger wrote: > The current tap device is slow both due to architectural choices and the > overhead of Linux system calls. I am exploring a how to fix that but some > of the choices require some tradeoffs. Which leads to some open questions: > > 1. DPDK tap also support tunnel (TUN) mode where there is no Ethernet header > only L3. Does anyone actually use this? It is different than what every other > PMD expects. > > 2. The fastest way to use kernel TAP device would be to use io_uring. > But this was added in 5.1 kernel (2019). Rather than having conditional or > dual mode in DPDK tap device, perhaps there should just be a new PMD tap_uring? > > 3. Current TAP device provides hooks for several rte_flow types by playing > games with kernel qdisc. Does anyone really use this? Propose just not doing > this in new tap_uring. > > 4. What other features of TAP device beyond basic send/receive make sense? > It looks like new device could support better statistics. > > 5. What about Rx interrupt support? > > Probably the hardest part of using io_uring is figuring out how to collect > completions. The simplest way would be to handle all completions rx and tx > in the rx_burst function. > Why not just use Virtio-user PMD with Vhost-kernel backend [0]? Are there any missing features that io_uring can address? Regards, Maxime [0]: http://doc.dpdk.org/guides/howto/virtio_user_as_exception_path.html