From: Ferruh Yigit <ferruh.yigit@intel.com>
To: Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net>
Cc: Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>,
"Kinsella, Ray" <ray.kinsella@intel.com>,
David Marchand <david.marchand@redhat.com>,
Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org>,
Christian Ehrhardt <christian.ehrhardt@canonical.com>,
Timothy Redaelli <tredaelli@redhat.com>,
Kevin Traynor <ktraynor@redhat.com>, dpdk-dev <dev@dpdk.org>,
Bruce Richardson <bruce.richardson@intel.com>,
"Laatz, Kevin" <kevin.laatz@intel.com>,
Andrew Rybchenko <arybchenko@solarflare.com>,
Neil Horman <nhorman@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] How to manage new APIs added after major ABI release?
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 15:46:10 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <b508eb8b-f18c-ff35-a66b-7416a43dd3c3@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <13948405.dOHl5BjGNH@xps>
On 12/11/2019 3:02 PM, Thomas Monjalon wrote:
> 11/12/2019 14:30, Ferruh Yigit:
>> On 12/11/2019 1:11 PM, Neil Horman wrote:
>>> On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 11:56:28AM +0000, Ferruh Yigit wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> With new process, the major ABI releases will be compatible until it is
>>>> deprecated (until next LTS for now),
>>>> like current ABI version is 20 in DPDK_19.11 and DPDK versions until DPDK_20.11
>>>> will be ABI compatible with this version.
>>>>
>>>> But if we introduce a new API after major ABI, say in 20.02 release, are we
>>>> allowed to break the ABI for that API before DPDK_20.11?
>>>>
>>>> If we allow it break, following problem will be observed:
>>>> Assume an application using .so.20.1 library, and using the new API introduced
>>>> in 20.02, lets say foo(),
>>>> but when application switches to .so.20.2 (released via DPDK_20.05), application
>>>> will fail because of ABI breakage in foo().
>>>>
>>>> I think it is fair that application expects forward compatibility in minor
>>>> versions of a shared library.
>>>> Like if application linked against .so.20.2, fair to expect .so.20.3, .so.20.4
>>>> etc will work fine. I think currently only .so.20.0 is fully forward compatible.
>>>>
>>>> If we all agree on this, we may need to tweak the process a little, but before
>>>> diving into implementation details, I would like to be sure we are in same page.
>>>>
>>> Yes, I agree with the assertion. Once an ABI is fixed, it must be compatible
>>> with all future minor releases subsequent to the fixing of that ABI, until the
>>> next major update. That is to say, once you release ABI_20, all minor updates
>>> 20.01, 20.02, etc must be compatible with ABI_20 until such time as ABI_21 is
>>> released.
>>
>> There is a slight difference. All minor versions already compatible with ABI_20,
>> like: 20.01, 20.02, 20.03 are ABI compatible with 20.0 (which defines ABI_20).
>>
>> Question is if 20.03 should be compatible with 20.02?
>>
>> This can happen if a new API is introduced in 20.2 and ABI has broken for that
>> API in 20.3, so an ABI compatibility issue created between 20.03 & 20.02,
>> meanwhile both are compatible with ABI_20.
>>
>> I can see two options:
>> a) New APIs are introduced only when we switch to new major ABI version. But if
>> we switch to longer (2 years) ABI compatibility, I think this is unacceptable to
>> wait up to two years to have (non experimental) APIs.
>
> I agree we should allow to add a new stable API in the middle of an ABI lifecycle.
>
>> b) APIs added in minor version will be part of ABI_20 after that point and same
>> rules will apply to them. Like if and API has introduced in 20.2, it is not
>> allowed to be broken until next major ABI version.
>
> Yes I think it is compliant with the agreed policy.
So I think two minor changes are required in the process to reflect this,
1) In ABI policy [1], it mentions in minor release both ABI_20 and ABI_21 can
exist together, also in graph it says for minor versions:
"v21 symbols are added and v20 symbols are modified, support for v20 ABI continues."
I am not sure if we can call the symbols added in minor versions as v21 ABI,
because it implies ABI compatibility is not required for them.
2) In ABI versioning [2], documented as .map files will have 'DPDK_20' and
'DPDK_21' blocks.
But instead, I think they should have 'DPDK_20.0', 'DPDK_20.1', ... blocks, and
when major ABI version changed they all can be flattened to 'DPDK_21.0'.
For example we can't do ABI versioning between 20.2 & 20.3 if we don't have
these blocks.
Current block names in .map files are already defined as 'DPDK_20.0', what we
need to do is update the document to use 'DPDK_20.x' for the symbols added in
minor version and follow that process.
[1]
https://doc.dpdk.org/guides/contributing/abi_policy.html#the-dpdk-abi-policy
[2]
https://doc.dpdk.org/guides/contributing/abi_versioning.html#examples-of-abi-macro-use
> Note that an app linked with ABI 20.2 won't be compatible with ABI 20.1,
> though the reverse works.
>
>
>
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-12-11 15:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-12-10 11:56 Ferruh Yigit
2019-12-10 12:04 ` Bruce Richardson
2019-12-10 12:40 ` Ferruh Yigit
2019-12-10 14:36 ` Bruce Richardson
2019-12-10 15:03 ` Luca Boccassi
2019-12-10 15:46 ` Bruce Richardson
2019-12-10 16:20 ` Luca Boccassi
2019-12-10 16:32 ` Bruce Richardson
2019-12-10 17:01 ` Kinsella, Ray
2019-12-10 17:04 ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-12-10 18:22 ` Luca Boccassi
2019-12-10 23:34 ` Bruce Richardson
2019-12-10 16:39 ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-12-10 17:00 ` Bruce Richardson
2019-12-10 15:04 ` Ferruh Yigit
2019-12-10 15:37 ` Ferruh Yigit
2019-12-10 15:40 ` Kinsella, Ray
2019-12-11 13:32 ` Neil Horman
2019-12-11 13:11 ` Neil Horman
2019-12-11 13:29 ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-12-11 13:30 ` Ferruh Yigit
2019-12-11 14:34 ` Neil Horman
2019-12-11 15:29 ` Ferruh Yigit
2019-12-11 15:02 ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-12-11 15:17 ` Bruce Richardson
2019-12-11 15:46 ` Ferruh Yigit [this message]
2019-12-11 15:55 ` Bruce Richardson
2019-12-11 16:30 ` Ferruh Yigit
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