From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <stephen@networkplumber.org> Received: from mail-pf0-f171.google.com (mail-pf0-f171.google.com [209.85.192.171]) by dpdk.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5DC8106A for <moving@dpdk.org>; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 20:22:49 +0100 (CET) Received: by mail-pf0-f171.google.com with SMTP id d2so19710976pfd.0 for <moving@dpdk.org>; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 11:22:49 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=networkplumber-org.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=N4XjtdUh9t7+k7+tndi5mF7+od1SOzWwrXgFZr0n2s0=; b=mjNLYvGEG4Hjl0Gzv3NF+Ej6zPgmC9WX1+nbfzbWk003V2JxI6acJivXgAJBhmW36i BxCrskAgJlxnQNUH/YtbVv28iRYe02+sXKmN2qADg5xzLrOWV/9g9tb9YXtnqdr7SAjO 5dOQZYkkDV/h19e6/GVJkpqOeS8v61yvzoeiilXheep4vxXzNLVVbGNq3M01+9Q+nVZg 7v+9zNIQCXQ7c0+U+6sU/xWUdq2zLBZJtgDOYPcR7RRWZTh/eZtO72/nEBnKu87Bjbrj hcdVF+wcUKdNPYryM5XgjfFVgh45jApwcwEmboUNl09gZFun7ItcX1zSMeSIF2OYnOdC sqUg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to :references:mime-version:content-transfer-encoding; bh=N4XjtdUh9t7+k7+tndi5mF7+od1SOzWwrXgFZr0n2s0=; b=nHdJwBA+kU6FV7jKemBVhlrhdjFm3P/kl7agTA4s76eMKqjTHqKSgZ0TM0FXuG/sOg I1oU2w7Ug9vWMurr6QllGTjjgcKto8Z5dRfdU5iGsK3b5DtF0z3n1uEFResVWR3BKQL5 O4IClUdR70gau6Nln+xixhaFuQKI0ru7C5lcEijPvUbBFxKu1UehDW7+1Mo38+dllFuv F3HKlFq2IlSpUSNM6MXUgXf87S19doDVC0fOBBdGq3TcYCyoilpZRQ5x0TO2KeAgmcqf 0sOJ0DxEn98M3h0mj902wtEsxMbKuxOEvCm32pxTgLfJnXnZYYZ8cBqB94JupUnw9rCT VFMw== X-Gm-Message-State: AKaTC00WlnTT59u2Tv8C/NYyHv1kzr9xbLSOquEw6Jq5EHis9AlJt9gZpot5Okr7aUUKDA== X-Received: by 10.99.134.72 with SMTP id x69mr179916272pgd.140.1481656968914; Tue, 13 Dec 2016 11:22:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from xeon-e3 (204-195-18-65.wavecable.com. [204.195.18.65]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p26sm82262389pgn.11.2016.12.13.11.22.48 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Tue, 13 Dec 2016 11:22:48 -0800 (PST) Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 11:22:41 -0800 From: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org> To: Thomas Monjalon <thomas.monjalon@6wind.com> Cc: moving@dpdk.org Message-ID: <20161213112241.0f59103e@xeon-e3> In-Reply-To: <3536895.ot6KiLdWxE@xps13> References: <26FA93C7ED1EAA44AB77D62FBE1D27BA72279643@IRSMSX108.ger.corp.intel.com> <3536895.ot6KiLdWxE@xps13> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [dpdk-moving] Today's Meeting X-BeenThere: moving@dpdk.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DPDK community structure changes <moving.dpdk.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://dpdk.org/ml/options/moving>, <mailto:moving-request@dpdk.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://dpdk.org/ml/archives/moving/> List-Post: <mailto:moving@dpdk.org> List-Help: <mailto:moving-request@dpdk.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://dpdk.org/ml/listinfo/moving>, <mailto:moving-request@dpdk.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 19:22:50 -0000 On Tue, 13 Dec 2016 17:22:29 +0100 Thomas Monjalon <thomas.monjalon@6wind.com> wrote: > I give some thoughts here because there is no time during the meeting > to talk between chatty people. I have same issue with phone meetings with > 3 people. > First I agree some progress could be done in managing contributions. > Some progress could be done if people were giving some time. > Unfortunately a lot of people complain but do not give so much time. > There are basically 2 ways to give some time: > - work more on his own contribution (without being disturbed by other projects) > - review, test and give some opinions about other contributions or discussions Managing is often code word for some other problem: - how can I get my change accepted or - how can we reduce the number of unwanted contributions The most productive open source projects make it clear the state and requirements for getting patches accepted, DPDK is doing well on this. It is just that with there are more contributors than reviewers (could also be a trust issue). As far as more changes, outside original scope. I agree with Linus, who always wanted to make sure that some bluebird patch could be accepted at anytime. I.e no hard and fast roadmap limiting scope. > About the technical board, there is no point in using it if there is no > online discussion first. If you see a problem, use your mailer and tell it. > There is a real power in bringing some evidence to a public mailing list. > If you do not trust in the power of open discussions, an Open Source project > cannot do much for you. Agreed.