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From: Bruce Richardson <bruce.richardson@intel.com>
To: Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net>
Cc: "Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>,
	"Stephen Hemminger" <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
	"Min Zhou" <zhoumin@loongson.cn>,
	stable@dpdk.org, dev@dpdk.org,
	"David Marchand" <david.marchand@redhat.com>,
	"Anatoly Burakov" <anatoly.burakov@intel.com>,
	"Narcisa Vasile" <navasile@linux.microsoft.com>,
	"Tyler Retzlaff" <roretzla@linux.microsoft.com>,
	"Dmitry Kozlyuk" <dmitry.kozliuk@gmail.com>,
	"Konstantin Ananyev" <konstantin.v.ananyev@yandex.ru>,
	"Andrew Rybchenko" <andrew.rybchenko@oktetlabs.ru>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] eal/unix: allow creating thread with real-time priority
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2023 14:34:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZTkZUKMbLs06MY2N@bricha3-MOBL.ger.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3767229.kQq0lBPeGt@thomas>

On Wed, Oct 25, 2023 at 03:15:49PM +0200, Thomas Monjalon wrote:
> 24/10/2023 18:04, Stephen Hemminger:
> > On Tue, 24 Oct 2023 15:55:13 +0200
> > Morten Brørup <mb@smartsharesystems.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > > 
> > > >    4. It MAY be used by preemptible multi-producer and/or preemptible multi-
> > > > consumer pthreads whose scheduling policy are all SCHED_OTHER(cfs), SCHED_IDLE
> > > > or SCHED_BATCH. User SHOULD be aware of the performance penalty before using
> > > > it.
> > > > 
> > > > -  5. It MUST not be used by multi-producer/consumer pthreads, whose
> > > > scheduling policies are SCHED_FIFO or SCHED_RR.
> > > > +  5. It MUST not be used by multi-producer/consumer pthreads
> > > > +     whose scheduling policies are ``SCHED_FIFO``
> > > > +     or ``SCHED_RR`` (``RTE_THREAD_PRIORITY_REALTIME_CRITICAL``).  
> > > 
> > > Do the RTS or HTS ring modes make any difference here?
> > > 
> > > Anyway, I agree that real-time priority should not be forbidden on Unix.
> > > 
> > > Acked-by: Morten Brørup <mb@smartsharesystems.com>
> > 
> > Please add a big warning message in the rte_thread.c and the documentation
> > to describe the problem. Need to have the "you have been warned" action.
> 
> Yes I can add more warnings.
> 
> > Use of RT priority is incompatible with 100% poll mode as is typically done
> > in DPDK applications. A real time thread has higher priority than other necessary
> > kernel threads on the same CPU. Therefore if the RT thread never sleeps, critical
> > system actions such as delayed writes, network packet processing and timer updates
> > will not happen which makes the system unstable.
> 
> Yes, and it is shown by the test on loongarch:
> DPDK:fast-tests / threads_autotest        TIMEOUT        80.01s
> http://mails.dpdk.org/archives/test-report/2023-October/488760.html
> 
> I'll try to pass the test by adding a sleep in the test thread.
> 

"sched_yield()" rather than sleep perhaps? Might better convey the
intention of the call.


  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-25 13:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-10-24 12:54 Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-24 13:55 ` Morten Brørup
2023-10-24 16:04   ` Stephen Hemminger
2023-10-25 13:15     ` Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-25 13:34       ` Bruce Richardson [this message]
2023-10-25 13:44         ` Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-25 15:08           ` Stephen Hemminger
2023-10-25 15:14             ` Bruce Richardson
2023-10-25 15:18               ` Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-25 15:32                 ` Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-25 15:13 ` [PATCH v2] " Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-25 15:37   ` Stephen Hemminger
2023-10-25 16:46     ` Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-25 17:54       ` Morten Brørup
2023-10-25 21:33         ` Stephen Hemminger
2023-10-26  7:33           ` Morten Brørup
2023-10-26 16:32             ` Stephen Hemminger
2023-10-26 17:07               ` Morten Brørup
2023-10-26  0:00         ` Stephen Hemminger
     [not found] ` <20231025163352.1076755-1-thomas@monjalon.net>
2023-10-25 16:31   ` [PATCH v3 2/2] " Thomas Monjalon
     [not found] ` <20231026134313.1165954-1-thomas@monjalon.net>
2023-10-26 13:37   ` [PATCH v4 " Thomas Monjalon
     [not found] ` <20231026142749.1174372-1-thomas@monjalon.net>
2023-10-26 14:19   ` [PATCH v5 " Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-27  8:08 ` [PATCH v6 1/1] " Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-27  8:45   ` Morten Brørup
2023-10-27  9:11     ` Thomas Monjalon
2023-10-27 18:15     ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-10-07 19:27   ` Stephen Hemminger

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