From: Flavio Leitner <fbl@sysclose.org>
To: "Michael S. Tsirkin" <mst@redhat.com>
Cc: dev@dpdk.org, marcel@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 4/8] vhost: rxtx: use queue id instead of constant ring index
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2015 18:30:41 -0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20151028203041.GB22208@x240.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20151024204401-mutt-send-email-mst@redhat.com>
On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 08:47:10PM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 12:34:08AM -0200, Flavio Leitner wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 02:32:31PM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > On Thu, Oct 22, 2015 at 05:49:55PM +0800, Yuanhan Liu wrote:
> > > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 05:26:18PM +0300, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> > > > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 08:48:15PM +0800, Yuanhan Liu wrote:
> > > > > > > Please note that for virtio devices, guest is supposed to
> > > > > > > control the placement of incoming packets in RX queues.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I may not follow you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Enqueuing packets to a RX queue is done at vhost lib, outside the
> > > > > > guest, how could the guest take the control here?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --yliu
> > > > >
> > > > > vhost should do what guest told it to.
> > > > >
> > > > > See virtio spec:
> > > > > 5.1.6.5.5 Automatic receive steering in multiqueue mode
> > > >
> > > > Spec says:
> > > >
> > > > After the driver transmitted a packet of a flow on transmitqX,
> > > > the device SHOULD cause incoming packets for that flow to be
> > > > steered to receiveqX.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Michael, I still have no idea how vhost could know the flow even
> > > > after discussion with Huawei. Could you be more specific about
> > > > this? Say, how could guest know that? And how could guest tell
> > > > vhost which RX is gonna to use?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > --yliu
> > >
> > > I don't really understand the question.
> > >
> > > When guests transmits a packet, it makes a decision
> > > about the flow to use, and maps that to a tx/rx pair of queues.
> > >
> > > It sends packets out on the tx queue and expects device to
> > > return packets from the same flow on the rx queue.
> >
> > Why? I can understand that there should be a mapping between
> > flows and queues in a way that there is no re-ordering, but
> > I can't see the relation of receiving a flow with a TX queue.
> >
> > fbl
>
> That's the way virtio chose to program the rx steering logic.
>
> It's low overhead (no special commands), and
> works well for TCP when user is an endpoint since rx and tx
> for tcp are generally tied (because of ack handling).
>
> We can discuss other ways, e.g. special commands for guests to
> program steering.
> We'd have to first see some data showing the current scheme
> is problematic somehow.
The issue is that the restriction imposes operations to be done in the
data path. For instance, Open vSwitch has N number of threads to manage
X RX queues. We distribute them in round-robin fashion. So, the thread
polling one RX queue will do all the packet processing and push it to the
TX queue of the other device (vhost-user or not) using the same 'id'.
Doing so we can avoid locking between threads and TX queues and any other
extra computation while still keeping the packet ordering/distribution fine.
However, if vhost-user has to send packets according with guest mapping,
it will require locking between queues and additional operations to select
the appropriate queue. Those actions will cause performance issues.
I see no real benefit from enforcing the guest mapping outside to
justify all the computation cost, so my suggestion is to change the
spec to suggest that behavior, but not to require that to be compliant.
Does that make sense?
Thanks,
fbl
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Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-10-21 3:48 [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 0/8] vhost-user multiple queues enabling Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-21 3:48 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 1/8] vhost-user: add protocol features support Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-22 9:52 ` Xie, Huawei
2015-10-21 3:48 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 2/8] vhost-user: add VHOST_USER_GET_QUEUE_NUM message Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-22 9:38 ` Xie, Huawei
2015-10-21 3:48 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 3/8] vhost: vring queue setup for multiple queue support Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-21 4:45 ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-21 6:52 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-22 9:49 ` Xie, Huawei
2015-10-22 11:30 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-21 3:48 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 4/8] vhost: rxtx: use queue id instead of constant ring index Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-21 4:43 ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-21 6:54 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-21 7:16 ` Xie, Huawei
2015-10-21 9:38 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2015-10-21 15:47 ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-10-21 15:52 ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-10-21 15:57 ` Bruce Richardson
2015-10-21 15:55 ` Bruce Richardson
2015-10-21 16:29 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2015-10-21 10:31 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-21 12:48 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-21 14:26 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-21 14:59 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-22 9:49 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-22 11:32 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-22 14:07 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-22 14:19 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-23 8:02 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-24 2:34 ` Flavio Leitner
2015-10-24 17:47 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-28 20:30 ` Flavio Leitner [this message]
2015-10-28 21:12 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-11-16 22:20 ` Flavio Leitner
2015-11-17 8:23 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-11-17 9:24 ` Jason Wang
2015-11-17 22:49 ` Flavio Leitner
2015-10-22 7:26 ` Xie, Huawei
2015-10-21 3:48 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 5/8] virtio: fix deadloop due to reading virtio_net_config incorrectly Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-21 3:48 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 6/8] vhost-user: enable vhost-user multiple queue Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-21 3:48 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 7/8] vhost: add VHOST_USER_SET_VRING_ENABLE message Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-21 3:48 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 8/8] doc: update release note for vhost-user mq support Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-22 12:35 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 0/8] vhost-user multiple queues enabling Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-22 12:35 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 1/8] vhost-user: add protocol features support Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-22 12:35 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 2/8] vhost-user: add VHOST_USER_GET_QUEUE_NUM message Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-22 12:35 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 3/8] vhost: vring queue setup for multiple queue support Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-26 5:24 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-10-26 5:42 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-27 6:20 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-10-27 9:17 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-27 9:30 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-27 9:42 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-27 9:51 ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-10-27 9:55 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2015-10-27 10:41 ` Xie, Huawei
2015-10-27 9:53 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-22 12:35 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 4/8] vhost: rxtx: use queue id instead of constant ring index Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-22 12:35 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 5/8] virtio: fix deadloop due to reading virtio_net_config incorrectly Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-22 12:35 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 6/8] vhost: add VHOST_USER_SET_VRING_ENABLE message Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-22 12:35 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 7/8] vhost-user: enable vhost-user multiple queue Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-22 12:35 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 8/8] doc: update release note for vhost-user mq support Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-26 20:22 ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-10-27 9:38 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-26 1:36 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 0/8] vhost-user multiple queues enabling Xie, Huawei
2015-10-26 3:09 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-26 20:26 ` Thomas Monjalon
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