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From: Olivier Matz <olivier.matz@6wind.com>
To: "Ananyev, Konstantin" <konstantin.ananyev@intel.com>
Cc: "dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [RFC 0/8] mbuf: structure reorganization
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2017 14:48:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170216144807.7add2c71@platinum> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2601191342CEEE43887BDE71AB9772583F111A29@irsmsx105.ger.corp.intel.com>

Hi Konstantin,

Thanks for the feedback.
Comments inline.


On Mon, 6 Feb 2017 18:41:27 +0000, "Ananyev, Konstantin"
<konstantin.ananyev@intel.com> wrote:
> Hi Olivier,
> Looks good in general, some comments from me below.
> Thanks
> Konstantin
> 
> > 
> > The main changes are:
> > - reorder structure to increase vector performance on some non-ia
> >   platforms.
> > - add a 64bits timestamp field in the 1st cache line  
> 
> Wonder why it deserves to be in first cache line?
> How it differs from seqn below (pure SW stuff right now).

In case the timestamp is set from a NIC value, it is set in the Rx
path. So that's why I think it deserve to be located in the 1st cache
line.

As you said, the seqn is a pure sw stuff right: it is set in a lib, not
in a PMD rx path.

> > - m->next, m->nb_segs, and m->refcnt are always initialized for
> > mbufs in the pool, avoiding the need of setting m->next (located in
> > the 2nd cache line) in the Rx path for mono-segment packets.
> > - change port and nb_segs to 16 bits  
> 
> Not that I am completely against it,
> but changing nb_segs to 16 bits seems like an overkill to me.
> I think we can keep and extra 8bits for something more useful in
> future.

In my case, I use the m->next field to chain more than 256 segments for
L4 socket buffers. It also updates nb_seg that can overflow. It's not
a big issue since at the end, nb_seg is decremented for each segment.
On the other hand, if I enable some sanity checks on mbufs, it
complains because the number of segments is not equal to nb_seg.

There is also another use case with fragmentation as discussed recently:
http://dpdk.org/dev/patchwork/patch/19819/

Of course, dealing with a long mbuf list is not that efficient,
but the application can maintain another structure to accelerate the
access to the middle/end of the list.

Finally, we have other ideas to get additional 8 bits if required in
the future, so I don't think it's really a problem.


> 
> > - move seqn in the 2nd cache line
> > 
> > Things discussed but not done in the patchset:
> > - move refcnt and nb_segs to the 2nd cache line: many drivers sets
> >   them in the Rx path, so it could introduce a performance
> > regression, or  
> 
> I wonder can refcnt only be moved into the 2-nd cacheline?
> As I understand thanks to other change (from above) m->refcnt 
> will already be initialized, so RX code don't need to touch it.
> Though yes, it still would require changes in all PMDs.

Yes, I agree, some fields could be moved in the 2nd cache line once all
PMDs stop to write them in RX path. I propose to issue some guidelines
to PMD maintainers at the same time the patchset is pushed. Then we can
consider changing it in a future version, in case we need more room in
the 1st mbuf cache line.

> 
> >   it would require to change all the drivers, which is not an easy
> > task.
> > - remove the m->port field: too much impact on many examples and
> > libraries, and some people highlighted they are using it.  
> 
> Ok, but can it be moved into the second cache-line?

I think no: it is set by the PMDs in RX path, it would impact
performance.


> 
> > - moving m->next in the 1st cache line: there is not enough room,
> > and having it set to NULL for unused mbuf should remove the need
> > for it.
> > - merge seqn and timestamp together in a union: we could imagine
> > use cases were both are activated. There is no flag indicating the
> > presence of seqn, so it looks preferable to keep them separated for
> > now.
> > 
> > I made some basic performance tests (ixgbe) and see no regression,
> > but the patchset requires more testing.
> > 
> > [1] http://dpdk.org/ml/archives/dev/2016-October/049338.html
> >   

By the way, additional performance tests on this patchset from PMD
vendors would be helpful.


Olivier

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-02-16 13:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 155+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-01-24 15:19 Olivier Matz
2017-01-24 15:19 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC 1/8] mbuf: make segment prefree function public Olivier Matz
2017-01-24 15:19 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC 2/8] mbuf: make raw free " Olivier Matz
2017-01-24 15:19 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC 3/8] mbuf: set mbuf fields while in pool Olivier Matz
2017-01-24 15:50   ` Bruce Richardson
2017-02-28 14:51     ` Olivier Matz
2017-01-24 15:19 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC 4/8] net: don't touch mbuf next or nb segs on Rx Olivier Matz
2017-01-24 15:19 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC 5/8] mbuf: make rearm data address naturally aligned Olivier Matz
2017-01-24 15:19 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC 6/8] mbuf: use 2 bytes for port and nb segments Olivier Matz
2017-01-24 15:19 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC 7/8] mbuf: move sequence number in second cache line Olivier Matz
2017-01-24 15:19 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC 8/8] mbuf: add a timestamp field Olivier Matz
2017-01-24 15:59 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC 0/8] mbuf: structure reorganization Bruce Richardson
2017-01-24 16:16   ` Olivier MATZ
2017-02-06 18:41 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2017-02-09 16:20   ` Morten Brørup
2017-02-09 16:56     ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2017-02-16 13:48   ` Olivier Matz [this message]
2017-02-16 15:46     ` Bruce Richardson
2017-02-16 16:14       ` Olivier Matz
2017-02-21 14:20         ` Morten Brørup
2017-02-21 14:28           ` Bruce Richardson
2017-02-21 15:04           ` Olivier MATZ
2017-02-21 15:18             ` Bruce Richardson
2017-02-21 15:18             ` Morten Brørup
2017-02-19 19:04       ` Chilikin, Andrey
2017-02-21  9:53         ` Olivier MATZ
2017-02-16 17:26     ` Jan Blunck
2017-02-17 10:51       ` Olivier Matz
2017-02-17 12:49         ` Nélio Laranjeiro
2017-02-17 13:51           ` Jan Blunck
2017-02-18  5:48             ` Andrew Rybchenko
2017-02-17 13:38         ` Jan Blunck
2017-02-17 14:17           ` Olivier Matz
2017-02-17 18:42             ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2017-02-21  9:53               ` Olivier MATZ
2017-02-21 10:28                 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2017-02-20  9:27             ` Jan Blunck
2017-02-21  9:54               ` Olivier MATZ
2017-02-21 16:12                 ` Jan Blunck
2017-02-21 16:38                   ` Bruce Richardson
2017-02-21 17:04                     ` Jan Blunck
2017-02-21 17:26                       ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2017-02-21 19:17                         ` Jan Blunck
2017-02-21 20:30                           ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2017-02-21 21:51                             ` Morten Brørup
2017-02-24 14:11                               ` Olivier Matz
2017-02-24 14:00                             ` Olivier Matz
2017-02-24 14:21                               ` Bruce Richardson
2017-02-28  8:55                               ` Jan Blunck
2017-02-28  9:05                                 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2017-02-28  9:23                                   ` Olivier Matz
2017-02-28  9:33                                     ` Jan Blunck
2017-02-28 10:29                                     ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2017-02-28 10:50                                       ` Olivier Matz
2017-02-28 11:48                                         ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2017-02-28 12:28                                           ` Olivier Matz
2017-02-28 22:53                                             ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2017-03-02 16:46                                               ` Olivier Matz
2017-03-08 11:11                                                 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2017-03-20  9:00                                                   ` Olivier Matz
2017-03-22 17:42                                                     ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2017-03-24  8:35                                                       ` Jerin Jacob
2017-03-24 13:35                                                         ` Olivier Matz
2017-02-28  9:25                                   ` Jan Blunck
2017-02-19 23:45     ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2017-02-21  9:22     ` Morten Brørup
2017-02-21  9:54       ` Olivier MATZ
2017-03-08  9:41 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 0/9] " Olivier Matz
2017-03-08  9:41   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 1/9] mbuf: make segment prefree function public Olivier Matz
2017-03-08  9:41   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 2/9] mbuf: make raw free " Olivier Matz
2017-03-08  9:41   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 3/9] mbuf: set mbuf fields while in pool Olivier Matz
2017-03-31 11:21     ` Bruce Richardson
2017-03-31 11:51       ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2017-03-08  9:41   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 4/9] drivers/net: don't touch mbuf next or nb segs on Rx Olivier Matz
2017-03-08  9:41   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 5/9] mbuf: make rearm data address naturally aligned Olivier Matz
2017-03-08  9:41   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 6/9] mbuf: use 2 bytes for port and nb segments Olivier Matz
2017-03-08  9:41   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 7/9] mbuf: move sequence number in second cache line Olivier Matz
2017-03-08  9:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 8/9] mbuf: add a timestamp field Olivier Matz
2017-04-04 10:29     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 0/2] reduce writes to mbuf in ixgbe vRX Konstantin Ananyev
2017-04-07 15:13       ` Ferruh Yigit
2017-04-07 15:44         ` Ferruh Yigit
2017-04-09 22:56           ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2017-04-04 10:29     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 1/2] net/ixgbe: eliminate mbuf write on rearm Konstantin Ananyev
2017-04-10 15:59       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 0/2] reduce writes to mbuf in ixgbe vRX Konstantin Ananyev
2017-04-10 16:17         ` Ferruh Yigit
2017-04-10 15:59       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 1/2] net/ixgbe: eliminate mbuf write on rearm Konstantin Ananyev
2017-04-10 15:59       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 2/2] net/ixgbe: remove option to disable offload flags Konstantin Ananyev
2017-04-04 10:29     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH " Konstantin Ananyev
2017-03-08  9:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 9/9] mbuf: reorder VLAN tci and buffer len fields Olivier Matz
2017-03-29 15:56   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 0/9] mbuf: structure reorganization Olivier Matz
2017-03-29 16:03     ` Morten Brørup
2017-03-29 20:09     ` Bruce Richardson
2017-03-30  9:31       ` Bruce Richardson
2017-03-30 12:02         ` Olivier Matz
2017-03-30 12:23           ` Bruce Richardson
2017-03-30 16:45             ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2017-03-30 16:47               ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2017-03-30 18:06                 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2017-03-31  8:41                   ` Olivier Matz
2017-03-31  9:58                     ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2017-03-31  1:00                 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2017-03-31  7:21                   ` Morten Brørup
2017-03-31  8:26                   ` Olivier Matz
2017-03-31  8:41                     ` Bruce Richardson
2017-03-31  8:59                       ` Olivier Matz
2017-03-31  9:18                         ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2017-03-31  9:36                           ` Olivier Matz
2017-04-03 16:15                           ` Thomas Monjalon
2017-04-04  7:58                             ` Olivier MATZ
2017-04-04  8:53                               ` Bruce Richardson
2017-03-31  9:23                         ` Bruce Richardson
2017-03-31 11:18     ` Nélio Laranjeiro
2017-03-30 14:54   ` Andrew Rybchenko
2017-03-30 15:12   ` Jerin Jacob
2017-04-04 16:27   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 0/8] " Olivier Matz
2017-04-04 16:28     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 1/8] mbuf: make segment prefree function public Olivier Matz
2017-04-04 16:28     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 2/8] mbuf: make raw free " Olivier Matz
2017-04-04 16:28     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 3/8] mbuf: set mbuf fields while in pool Olivier Matz
2017-04-04 16:28     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 4/8] drivers/net: don't touch mbuf next or nb segs on Rx Olivier Matz
2017-04-04 16:28     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 5/8] mbuf: make rearm data address naturally aligned Olivier Matz
2017-04-04 16:28     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 6/8] mbuf: use 2 bytes for port and nb segments Olivier Matz
2017-04-06  5:45       ` Yuanhan Liu
2017-04-18 13:03         ` Olivier MATZ
2017-07-04  7:54           ` Wang, Zhihong
2017-07-10  8:00             ` Olivier Matz
2017-07-10  8:15               ` Morten Brørup
2017-07-11 13:25                 ` Wiles, Keith
2017-07-11 13:30                   ` Morten Brørup
2017-07-11 15:05                     ` Thomas Monjalon
2017-07-11 15:23                       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 6/8] mbuf: use 2 bytes for port and nbsegments Morten Brørup
2017-07-11 16:48                         ` Wiles, Keith
2017-07-12  7:25                           ` Morten Brørup
2017-07-12  9:02                             ` Yang, Zhiyong
2017-07-12  9:50                               ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 6/8] mbuf: use 2 bytes for port andnbsegments Morten Brørup
2017-07-12 15:35                                 ` Stephen Hemminger
2017-07-12 15:57                                   ` Morten Brørup
2017-07-12 16:23                                     ` Thomas Monjalon
2017-07-12 18:20                                       ` Wiles, Keith
2017-07-21 15:03                                       ` Bruce Richardson
2017-07-12 15:34                             ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 6/8] mbuf: use 2 bytes for port and nbsegments Wiles, Keith
2017-07-11 13:34                 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 6/8] mbuf: use 2 bytes for port and nb segments Wiles, Keith
2017-07-11 13:46                   ` Olivier MATZ
2017-04-04 16:28     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 7/8] mbuf: move sequence number in second cache line Olivier Matz
2017-04-04 16:28     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 8/8] mbuf: add a timestamp field Olivier Matz
2017-04-05  9:37     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 0/8] mbuf: structure reorganization Thomas Monjalon
2017-04-05  9:46       ` Olivier MATZ
2017-04-05  9:48       ` Richardson, Bruce
2017-04-05 12:06       ` Ferruh Yigit
2017-04-14 13:10       ` Ferruh Yigit
2017-04-18 13:04         ` Olivier MATZ
2017-04-19  9:39           ` Thomas Monjalon
2017-04-19 12:28             ` Olivier MATZ
2017-04-19 12:56               ` Thomas Monjalon
2017-04-19 13:03                 ` Ferruh Yigit
2017-04-19 13:12                   ` Thomas Monjalon

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