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From: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
To: Ferruh Yigit <ferruh.yigit@intel.com>
Cc: Alex Rosenbaum <rosenbaumalex@gmail.com>,
	"Wiles, Keith" <keith.wiles@intel.com>,
	"Dumitrescu, Cristian" <cristian.dumitrescu@intel.com>,
	Jay Rolette <rolette@infinite.io>,
	Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net>, DPDK <dev@dpdk.org>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [RFC] Kernel Control Path (KCP)
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2017 09:48:33 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170616094833.701cfb28@xeon-e3> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7879b121-fca9-995a-0087-12c840fbc47e@intel.com>

On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 16:27:47 +0100
Ferruh Yigit <ferruh.yigit@intel.com> wrote:

> Hi Alex,
> 
> On 6/15/2017 1:07 PM, Alex Rosenbaum wrote:
> > please excuse me if I missed out of the previous conversation and
> > asking these questions again...
> > 
> > Why create a new driver instead of improving the existing KNI driver?  
> 
> For control path, KNI uses Linux kernel driver within KNI kernel module.
> This method works, but may not be best option, and technically not
> extendable for some drivers. KNI control path currently supports only
> two drivers, proposed KCP works for all PMDs by default.
> 
> Overall, KCP is outcome of the effort of improving KNI control path.
> 
> Initial proposal was (a year ago I guess) introducing two new modules,
> one for control path and one for data path, and replace KNI completely.
> But current target is have KCP to have better control path support.
> 
> Also, KNI handles both data and control path. But both are different
> functionalities and not need to be in some module. For example an
> application may not need exception data path to kernel, but may be
> interested in controlling DPDK interfaces via common Linux tools.
> 
> > Can you share a table of the differences between the two driver /
> > approaches [KNI vs KCP]?  
> 
> KCP differences against KNI:
> 
> - KCP is only for control path
> - Linux virtual interfaces created automatically, without DPDK
> application modification.
> - To create/destroy interfaces KCP uses rtnl, KNI uses ioctl. So
> technically it is possible to use "ip" tool to create / destroy
> interfaces supported by KCP.
> - KCP kernel module and userspace counterpart communicates via netlink,
> KNI uses ioctl.
> - KCP works for all PMDs without update on PMDs.
> 
> > 
> > Why do you want to remove features like data path that is provided by KNI today?  
> 
> There is not intention to remove exception data path, the focus is to
> improve KNI.
> 
> > 
> > thanks,
> > Alex
> >   
> 

Hopefully KCP can be submitted for upstream kernel, and therefore be supportable over
the long term. KNI in its current form is not acceptable upstream for a number
of reasons: style, use of ioctl, races with control operations, etc.

  reply	other threads:[~2017-06-16 16:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 91+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-05-26 16:52 Ferruh Yigit
2017-05-28 16:55 ` Wiles, Keith
2017-05-29  9:26   ` Bruce Richardson
2017-05-29 17:29     ` Wiles, Keith
2017-06-16 15:54   ` Ferruh Yigit
2017-06-20 12:33     ` Ferruh Yigit
2017-05-30 10:55 ` Thomas Monjalon
2017-06-13 17:21   ` Ferruh Yigit
2017-06-13 18:00     ` Jay Rolette
2017-06-13 18:04       ` Dumitrescu, Cristian
2017-06-13 18:18         ` Wiles, Keith
2017-06-15 12:07           ` Alex Rosenbaum
2017-06-16 15:27             ` Ferruh Yigit
2017-06-16 16:48               ` Stephen Hemminger [this message]
2017-06-13 18:17       ` Wiles, Keith
2017-06-21 11:06 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 0/4] Userspace Network Control Interface (UNCI) Ferruh Yigit
2017-06-21 11:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 1/4] ethtool: move from sample folder to lib folder Ferruh Yigit
2017-06-26 11:02     ` Bruce Richardson
2017-06-21 11:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 2/4] unci: add kernel control path kernel module Ferruh Yigit
2017-06-21 15:23     ` Stephen Hemminger
2017-06-30 17:02       ` Ferruh Yigit
2017-06-21 11:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 3/4] rte_ctrl_if: add control interface library Ferruh Yigit
2017-06-26 11:09     ` Bruce Richardson
2017-06-26 11:30     ` Bruce Richardson
2017-06-21 11:06   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 4/4] ethdev: add control interface support Ferruh Yigit
2017-06-21 15:24     ` Stephen Hemminger
2017-06-30 17:06       ` Ferruh Yigit
2017-06-26 11:39   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 0/4] Userspace Network Control Interface (UNCI) Bruce Richardson
2017-06-29 16:13     ` Ferruh Yigit
2017-06-30 16:56       ` Ferruh Yigit
2017-06-30 16:51   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 00/20] " Ferruh Yigit
2017-06-30 16:51     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 01/20] ethtool: add library skeleton Ferruh Yigit
2017-06-30 16:51     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 02/20] ethtool: move from sample folder into lib folder Ferruh Yigit
2017-06-30 16:51     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 03/20] ethtool: remove PMD specific API call Ferruh Yigit
2017-06-30 16:51     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 04/20] ethtool: update header doxygen syntax Ferruh Yigit
2017-06-30 16:51     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 05/20] ethtool: enable library Ferruh Yigit
2017-06-30 16:51     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 06/20] doc: add ethtool library documentation Ferruh Yigit
2017-07-02 20:18       ` Mcnamara, John
2017-06-30 16:51     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 07/20] doc: update ethtool sample app doc Ferruh Yigit
2017-07-02 20:17       ` Mcnamara, John
2017-06-30 16:51     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 08/20] unci: add module skeleton Ferruh Yigit
2017-06-30 16:51     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 09/20] unci: add rtnl newlink Ferruh Yigit
2017-06-30 17:27       ` Stephen Hemminger
2017-06-30 16:51     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 10/20] unci: init netlink Ferruh Yigit
2017-06-30 17:28       ` Stephen Hemminger
2017-06-30 17:29       ` Stephen Hemminger
2017-06-30 16:51     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 11/20] unci: add netlink exec Ferruh Yigit
2017-06-30 16:51     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 12/20] unci: add netdevice ops Ferruh Yigit
2017-06-30 16:51     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 13/20] unci: add ethtool support Ferruh Yigit
2017-06-30 16:51     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 14/20] ctrl_if: add library skeleton Ferruh Yigit
2017-06-30 16:51     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 15/20] ctrl_if: add create destroy interface APIs Ferruh Yigit
2017-06-30 16:51     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 16/20] ctrl_if: initialize netlink interface Ferruh Yigit
2017-06-30 16:51     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 17/20] ctrl_if: process control messages Ferruh Yigit
2017-06-30 16:51     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 18/20] ctrl_if: process ethtool messages Ferruh Yigit
2017-06-30 16:51     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 19/20] doc: add control interface library documentation Ferruh Yigit
2017-07-02 20:16       ` Mcnamara, John
2017-06-30 16:51     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 20/20] ethdev: add control interface support Ferruh Yigit
2017-07-04 16:13     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 00/20] Userspace Network Control Interface (UNCI) Ferruh Yigit
2017-07-04 16:13       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 01/20] ethtool: add library skeleton Ferruh Yigit
2017-07-04 16:13       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 02/20] ethtool: move from sample folder into lib folder Ferruh Yigit
2017-07-04 16:13       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 03/20] ethtool: remove PMD specific API call Ferruh Yigit
2017-07-04 16:13       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 04/20] ethtool: update header doxygen syntax Ferruh Yigit
2017-07-06  9:18         ` Burakov, Anatoly
2017-07-04 16:13       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 05/20] ethtool: enable library Ferruh Yigit
2017-07-04 16:13       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 06/20] doc: add ethtool library documentation Ferruh Yigit
2017-07-04 16:13       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 07/20] doc: update ethtool sample app doc Ferruh Yigit
2017-07-04 16:13       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 08/20] unci: add module skeleton Ferruh Yigit
2017-07-06  9:25         ` Burakov, Anatoly
2017-07-04 16:13       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 09/20] unci: add rtnl newlink Ferruh Yigit
2017-07-04 16:13       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 10/20] unci: init netlink Ferruh Yigit
2017-07-06  9:32         ` Burakov, Anatoly
2017-07-04 16:13       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 11/20] unci: add netlink exec Ferruh Yigit
2017-07-05 19:07         ` Stephen Hemminger
2017-07-06 10:45           ` Ferruh Yigit
2017-07-07  0:25             ` Stephen Hemminger
2017-07-05 19:15         ` Stephen Hemminger
2017-07-04 16:13       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 12/20] unci: add netdevice ops Ferruh Yigit
2017-07-05 19:12         ` Stephen Hemminger
2017-07-05 19:12         ` Stephen Hemminger
2017-07-04 16:13       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 13/20] unci: add ethtool support Ferruh Yigit
2017-07-05 19:07         ` Stephen Hemminger
2017-07-05 19:08         ` Stephen Hemminger
2017-07-04 16:13       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 14/20] ctrl_if: add library skeleton Ferruh Yigit
2017-07-04 16:13       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 15/20] ctrl_if: add create destroy interface APIs Ferruh Yigit
2017-07-04 16:13       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 16/20] ctrl_if: initialize generic netlink interface Ferruh Yigit
2017-07-04 16:13       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 17/20] ctrl_if: process control messages Ferruh Yigit
2017-07-04 16:13       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 18/20] ctrl_if: process ethtool messages Ferruh Yigit
2017-07-04 16:13       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 19/20] doc: add control interface library documentation Ferruh Yigit
2017-07-04 16:13       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 20/20] ethdev: add control interface support Ferruh Yigit
2017-07-08  6:28         ` Yuanhan Liu
2017-07-20 14:55           ` Ferruh Yigit

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