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From: Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net>
To: "Burakov, Anatoly" <anatoly.burakov@intel.com>
Cc: David Marchand <david.marchand@redhat.com>, dev <dev@dpdk.org>,
	John McNamara <john.mcnamara@intel.com>,
	Marko Kovacevic <marko.kovacevic@intel.com>,
	iain.barker@oracle.com, edwin.leung@oracle.com,
	maxime.coquelin@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH] eal: add option to not store segment fd's
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 14:34:27 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4406705.fyK4ph7NJL@xps> (raw)
Message-ID: <20190329133427.D_roRfSHXH_7txsPnvz4fVe4i5brsbxBkdEUep2Ng8c@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <af1c5ca2-b309-f17a-fda5-88942e4090ac@intel.com>

29/03/2019 14:24, Burakov, Anatoly:
> On 29-Mar-19 12:40 PM, Thomas Monjalon wrote:
> > 29/03/2019 13:05, Burakov, Anatoly:
> >> On 29-Mar-19 11:34 AM, Thomas Monjalon wrote:
> >>> 29/03/2019 11:33, Burakov, Anatoly:
> >>>> On 29-Mar-19 9:50 AM, David Marchand wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 6:12 PM Anatoly Burakov
> >>>>> <anatoly.burakov@intel.com <mailto:anatoly.burakov@intel.com>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>       Due to internal glibc limitations [1], DPDK may exhaust internal
> >>>>>       file descriptor limits when using smaller page sizes, which results
> >>>>>       in inability to use system calls such as select() by user
> >>>>>       applications.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>       While the problem can be worked around using --single-file-segments
> >>>>>       option, it does not work if --legacy-mem mode is also used. Add a
> >>>>>       (yet another) EAL flag to disable storing fd's internally. This
> >>>>>       will sacrifice compability with Virtio with vhost-backend, but
> >>>>>       at least select() and friends will work.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>       [1] https://mails.dpdk.org/archives/dev/2019-February/124386.html
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sorry, I am a bit lost and I never took the time to look in the new
> >>>>> memory allocation system.
> >>>>> This gives the impression that we are accumulating workarounds, between
> >>>>> legacy-mem, single-file-segments, now no-seg-fds.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yep. I don't like this any more than you do, but i think there are users
> >>>> of all of these, so we can't just drop them willy-nilly. My great hope
> >>>> was that by now everyone would move on to use VFIO so legacy mem
> >>>> wouldn't be needed (the only reason it exists is to provide
> >>>> compatibility for use cases where lots of IOVA-contiguous memory is
> >>>> required, and VFIO cannot be used), but apparently that is too much to
> >>>> ask :/
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Iiuc, everything revolves around the need for per page locks.
> >>>>> Can you summarize why we need them?
> >>>>
> >>>> The short answer is multiprocess. We have to be able to map and unmap
> >>>> pages individually, and for that we need to be sure that we can, in
> >>>> fact, remove a page because no one else uses it. We also need to store
> >>>> fd's because virtio with vhost-user backend needs them to work, because
> >>>> it relies on sharing memory between processes using fd's.
> >>>
> >>> It's a pity adding an option to workaround a limitation of a corner case.
> >>> It adds complexity that we will have to support forever,
> >>> and it's even not perfect because of vhost.
> >>>
> >>> Might there be another solution?
> >>>
> >>
> >> If there is one, i'm all ears. I don't see any solutions aside from
> >> adding limitations.
> >>
> >> For example, we could drop the single/multi file segments mode and just
> >> make single file segments a default and the only available mode, but
> >> this has certain risks because older kernels do not support fallocate()
> >> on hugetlbfs.
> >>
> >> We could further draw a line in the sand, and say that, for example,
> >> 19.11 (or 20.11) will not have legacy mem mode, and everyone should use
> >> VFIO by now and if you don't it's your own fault.
> >>
> >> We could also cut down on the number of fd's we use in single-file
> >> segments mode by not using locks and simply deleting pages in the
> >> primary, but yanking out hugepages from under secondaries' feet makes me
> >> feel uneasy, even if technically by the time that happens, they're not
> >> supposed to be used anyway. This could mean that the patch is no longer
> >> necessary because we don't use that many fd's any more.
> > 
> > This last option is interesting. Is it realistic?
> > 
> 
> I can do it in current release cycle, but i'm not sure if it's too late 
> to do such changes. I guess it's OK since the validation cycle is just 
> starting? I'll throw something together and see if it crashes and burns.

OK let's try that.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-03-29 13:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-02-22 17:12 Anatoly Burakov
2019-03-29  9:50 ` David Marchand
2019-03-29  9:50   ` David Marchand
2019-03-29 10:33   ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-03-29 10:33     ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-03-29 11:34     ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-03-29 11:34       ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-03-29 12:05       ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-03-29 12:05         ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-03-29 12:40         ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-03-29 12:40           ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-03-29 13:24           ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-03-29 13:24             ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-03-29 13:34             ` Thomas Monjalon [this message]
2019-03-29 13:34               ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-03-29 14:21               ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-03-29 14:21                 ` Burakov, Anatoly
2019-03-29 13:35             ` Maxime Coquelin
2019-03-29 13:35               ` Maxime Coquelin
2019-03-29 17:55 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 1/2] memalloc: refactor segment resizing code Anatoly Burakov
2019-03-29 17:55   ` Anatoly Burakov
2019-03-29 17:55 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 2/2] memalloc: do not use lockfiles for single file segments mode Anatoly Burakov
2019-03-29 17:55   ` Anatoly Burakov
2019-04-02 14:08   ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-04-02 14:08     ` Thomas Monjalon

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