From: "Wiles, Keith" <keith.wiles@intel.com>
To: Francois Ozog <francois.ozog@linaro.org>
Cc: "O'Driscoll, Tim" <tim.odriscoll@intel.com>,
Vincent JARDIN <vincent.jardin@6wind.com>,
Thomas Monjalon <thomas.monjalon@6wind.com>,
"Legacy, Allain (Wind River)" <allain.legacy@windriver.com>,
"Yigit, Ferruh" <ferruh.yigit@intel.com>,
"dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>,
"Jolliffe, Ian (Wind River)" <ian.jolliffe@windriver.com>,
"techboard@dpdk.org" <techboard@dpdk.org>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 00/17] Wind River Systems AVP PMD vs virtio?
Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 09:51:56 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <51E4F489-59AE-4861-BFAE-2FE9CB3D5DE5@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHFG_=UVtp6bT6xNROxTQVx3KPRPtiQ5aJ-5Q-5snMikbUBBRA@mail.gmail.com>
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> On Mar 16, 2017, at 4:53 PM, Francois Ozog <francois.ozog@linaro.org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Virtio is special in many ways:
> - it is a multi-vendor supported specification
> - it is a multi-vendor opensource implementation in guest OSes
> (Windows, Linux, FreeBSD...)
> - it is a multi-vendor, opensource implementation in hypervisors
>
>
> So, the great benefit of virtio is that with a SINGLE device driver in
> a VM, applications are guaranteed to work in all situations (all
> hypervisors, all backends). The real issue I see with AVP is that it
> would bring uncertainty in virtual environments, breaking the "peace"
> of mind that virtio brings. does the hypervisor supports this vnic?
> does the virtual switch support the vnic?
> Having a single multi-vendor supported specification and
> implementations foster creativity, so I wouldn't be surprised to see
> native virtio support from Smart NICs in a very near future!
>
> *** Bottom line, if there are good ideas in AVP (performance,
> security...), I would rather push them to virtio. ***
>
>
> Lastly, physical PMDs have been accepted based on implicit existence
> of upstream drivers (valid for virtio and vmxnet3). So as a bare
> minimum requirement, I would ask for Qemu, OVS and Linux upstream AVP
> support. Is it the case?
You are missing the point people will vote with there feet having competing solutions just forces a heathy eco system.
Because the code is now open sourced then virtio can just take the improvement ideas and put it in their code.
I do not believe you have convinced me that having another solution hurts the eco system.
You can say we already have a driver for one nic why would we want another one. If someone produces a driver for a nic we already then I would accept it into dpdk.
Maybe is slower or faster, less or more features, easier to maintain, but fills a gap like AVP then we must except that driver. At some point one will win or some will prefer one over the other.
>
> Cordially,
>
> François-Frédéric
>
>
> On 16 March 2017 at 04:18, O'Driscoll, Tim <tim.odriscoll@intel.com> wrote:
>>> From: Vincent JARDIN [mailto:vincent.jardin@6wind.com]
>>>
>>> Le 15/03/2017 à 11:55, Thomas Monjalon a écrit :
>>>>> I'd suggest that this is a good topic for the next Tech Board
>>> meeting.
>>>> I agree Tim.
>>>> CC'ing techboard to add this item to the agenda of the next meeting.
>>>
>>> Frankly, I disagree, it is missing some discussions on the list.
>>
>> I think the discussion on the mailing list is at an impasse and it won't be resolved there. I think the Tech Board needs to consider several issues:
>> - What are the requirements for a new PMD to be accepted? For example, you're asking for performance data in this case, when this hasn't been a requirement for other PMDs.
>> - Should there be different requirements for PMDs for virtual devices versus physical devices?
>> - Based on these criteria, should the AVP PMD be accepted or not?
>
>
>
> --
> François-Frédéric Ozog | Director Linaro Networking Group
> T: +33.67221.6485
> francois.ozog@linaro.org | Skype: ffozog
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2017-02-25 1:22 [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 00/16] Wind River Systems AVP PMD Allain Legacy
2017-02-25 1:23 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 01/16] config: adds attributes for the " Allain Legacy
2017-02-25 1:23 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 02/16] net/avp: public header files Allain Legacy
2017-02-25 1:23 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 03/16] maintainers: claim responsibility for AVP PMD Allain Legacy
2017-02-25 1:23 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 04/16] net/avp: add PMD version map file Allain Legacy
2017-02-25 1:23 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 05/16] net/avp: debug log macros Allain Legacy
2017-02-25 1:23 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 06/16] drivers/net: adds driver makefiles for AVP PMD Allain Legacy
2017-02-25 1:23 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 07/16] net/avp: driver registration Allain Legacy
2017-02-25 1:23 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 08/16] net/avp: device initialization Allain Legacy
2017-02-25 1:23 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 09/16] net/avp: device configuration Allain Legacy
2017-02-25 1:23 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 10/16] net/avp: queue setup and release Allain Legacy
2017-02-25 1:23 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 11/16] net/avp: packet receive functions Allain Legacy
2017-02-25 1:23 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 12/16] net/avp: packet transmit functions Allain Legacy
2017-02-25 1:23 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 13/16] net/avp: device statistics operations Allain Legacy
2017-02-25 1:23 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 14/16] net/avp: device promiscuous functions Allain Legacy
2017-02-25 1:23 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 15/16] net/avp: device start and stop operations Allain Legacy
2017-02-25 1:23 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 16/16] doc: adds information related to the AVP PMD Allain Legacy
2017-02-26 19:08 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 00/16] Wind River Systems " Allain Legacy
2017-02-26 19:08 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 01/15] config: adds attributes for the " Allain Legacy
2017-02-26 19:08 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 02/15] net/avp: public header files Allain Legacy
2017-02-28 11:49 ` Jerin Jacob
2017-03-01 13:25 ` Legacy, Allain
2017-02-26 19:08 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 03/15] maintainers: claim responsibility for AVP PMD Allain Legacy
2017-02-26 19:08 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 04/15] net/avp: add PMD version map file Allain Legacy
2017-02-26 19:08 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 05/15] net/avp: debug log macros Allain Legacy
2017-02-26 19:08 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 06/15] drivers/net: adds driver makefiles for AVP PMD Allain Legacy
2017-02-26 19:08 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 07/15] net/avp: driver registration Allain Legacy
2017-02-27 16:47 ` Stephen Hemminger
2017-02-27 17:10 ` Legacy, Allain
2017-02-27 16:53 ` Stephen Hemminger
2017-02-27 17:09 ` Legacy, Allain
2017-02-26 19:08 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 08/15] net/avp: device initialization Allain Legacy
2017-02-28 11:57 ` Jerin Jacob
2017-03-01 13:29 ` Legacy, Allain
2017-02-26 19:08 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 09/15] net/avp: device configuration Allain Legacy
2017-02-26 19:08 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 10/15] net/avp: queue setup and release Allain Legacy
2017-02-26 19:08 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 11/15] net/avp: packet receive functions Allain Legacy
2017-02-27 16:46 ` Stephen Hemminger
2017-02-27 17:06 ` Legacy, Allain
2017-02-28 10:27 ` Bruce Richardson
2017-03-01 13:23 ` Legacy, Allain
2017-03-01 14:14 ` Thomas Monjalon
2017-03-01 14:54 ` Legacy, Allain
2017-03-01 15:10 ` Stephen Hemminger
2017-03-01 15:40 ` Legacy, Allain
2017-02-26 19:09 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 12/15] net/avp: packet transmit functions Allain Legacy
2017-02-26 22:18 ` Legacy, Allain
2017-02-26 19:09 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 13/15] net/avp: device promiscuous functions Allain Legacy
2017-02-26 19:09 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 14/15] net/avp: device start and stop operations Allain Legacy
2017-02-26 19:09 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 15/15] doc: adds information related to the AVP PMD Allain Legacy
2017-02-27 17:04 ` Mcnamara, John
2017-02-27 17:07 ` Legacy, Allain
2017-02-27 8:54 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 00/16] Wind River Systems " Vincent JARDIN
2017-02-27 12:15 ` Legacy, Allain
2017-02-27 15:17 ` Wiles, Keith
2017-03-02 0:19 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 " Allain Legacy
2017-03-02 0:19 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 01/16] config: adds attributes for the " Allain Legacy
2017-03-02 0:19 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 02/16] net/avp: public header files Allain Legacy
2017-03-03 14:37 ` Chas Williams
2017-03-03 15:35 ` Legacy, Allain
2017-03-02 0:19 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 03/16] maintainers: claim responsibility for AVP PMD Allain Legacy
2017-03-02 0:19 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 04/16] net/avp: add PMD version map file Allain Legacy
2017-03-02 0:19 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 05/16] net/avp: debug log macros Allain Legacy
2017-03-02 0:19 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 06/16] drivers/net: adds driver makefiles for AVP PMD Allain Legacy
2017-03-02 0:19 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 07/16] net/avp: driver registration Allain Legacy
2017-03-02 0:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 08/16] net/avp: device initialization Allain Legacy
2017-03-03 15:04 ` Chas Williams
2017-03-09 14:03 ` Legacy, Allain
2017-03-09 14:48 ` Legacy, Allain
2017-03-02 0:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 09/16] net/avp: device configuration Allain Legacy
2017-03-02 0:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 10/16] net/avp: queue setup and release Allain Legacy
2017-03-02 0:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 11/16] net/avp: packet receive functions Allain Legacy
2017-03-02 0:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 12/16] net/avp: packet transmit functions Allain Legacy
2017-03-02 0:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 13/16] net/avp: device statistics operations Allain Legacy
2017-03-02 0:35 ` Stephen Hemminger
2017-03-09 13:48 ` Legacy, Allain
2017-03-02 0:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 14/16] net/avp: device promiscuous functions Allain Legacy
2017-03-02 0:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 15/16] net/avp: device start and stop operations Allain Legacy
2017-03-02 0:37 ` Stephen Hemminger
2017-03-09 13:49 ` Legacy, Allain
2017-03-02 0:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 16/16] doc: adds information related to the AVP PMD Allain Legacy
2017-03-03 16:21 ` Vincent JARDIN
2017-03-13 19:17 ` Legacy, Allain
2017-03-13 19:16 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 00/17] Wind River Systems " Allain Legacy
2017-03-13 19:16 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 01/17] config: adds attributes for the " Allain Legacy
2017-03-13 19:16 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 02/17] net/avp: public header files Allain Legacy
2017-03-13 19:16 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 03/17] maintainers: claim responsibility for AVP PMD Allain Legacy
2017-03-13 19:16 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 04/17] net/avp: add PMD version map file Allain Legacy
2017-03-16 14:52 ` Ferruh Yigit
2017-03-16 15:33 ` Legacy, Allain
2017-03-13 19:16 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 05/17] net/avp: debug log macros Allain Legacy
2017-03-13 19:16 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 06/17] drivers/net: adds driver makefiles for AVP PMD Allain Legacy
2017-03-13 19:16 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 07/17] net/avp: driver registration Allain Legacy
2017-03-16 14:53 ` Ferruh Yigit
2017-03-16 15:37 ` Legacy, Allain
2017-03-13 19:16 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 08/17] net/avp: device initialization Allain Legacy
2017-03-13 19:16 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 09/17] net/avp: device configuration Allain Legacy
2017-03-13 19:16 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 10/17] net/avp: queue setup and release Allain Legacy
2017-03-13 19:16 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 11/17] net/avp: packet receive functions Allain Legacy
2017-03-13 19:16 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 12/17] net/avp: packet transmit functions Allain Legacy
2017-03-13 19:16 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 13/17] net/avp: device statistics operations Allain Legacy
2017-03-13 19:16 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 14/17] net/avp: device promiscuous functions Allain Legacy
2017-03-13 19:16 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 15/17] net/avp: device start and stop operations Allain Legacy
2017-03-13 19:16 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 16/17] net/avp: migration interrupt handling Allain Legacy
2017-03-13 19:16 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 17/17] doc: adds information related to the AVP PMD Allain Legacy
2017-03-16 14:53 ` Ferruh Yigit
2017-03-16 15:37 ` Legacy, Allain
2017-03-14 17:37 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 00/17] Wind River Systems AVP PMD vs virtio? Vincent JARDIN
2017-03-15 4:10 ` O'Driscoll, Tim
2017-03-15 10:55 ` Thomas Monjalon
2017-03-15 14:02 ` Vincent JARDIN
2017-03-16 3:18 ` O'Driscoll, Tim
2017-03-16 8:52 ` Francois Ozog
2017-03-16 9:51 ` Wiles, Keith [this message]
2017-03-16 10:32 ` Chas Williams
2017-03-16 18:09 ` Francois Ozog
2017-03-15 11:29 ` Ferruh Yigit
2017-03-15 14:08 ` Vincent JARDIN
2017-03-15 18:18 ` Ferruh Yigit
2017-03-15 14:02 ` Vincent JARDIN
2017-03-15 14:02 ` Vincent JARDIN
2017-03-15 20:19 ` Wiles, Keith
2017-03-16 23:17 ` Stephen Hemminger
2017-03-16 23:41 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 00/17] Wind River Systems AVP PMD vs virtio? - ivshmem is back Vincent JARDIN
2017-03-17 0:08 ` Wiles, Keith
2017-03-17 0:15 ` O'Driscoll, Tim
2017-03-17 0:11 ` Wiles, Keith
2017-03-17 0:14 ` Stephen Hemminger
2017-03-17 0:31 ` Vincent JARDIN
2017-03-17 0:53 ` Wiles, Keith
2017-03-17 8:48 ` Thomas Monjalon
2017-03-17 10:15 ` Legacy, Allain
2017-03-17 13:52 ` Michael S. Tsirkin
2017-03-20 22:30 ` Hobywan Kenoby
2017-03-21 11:06 ` Thomas Monjalon
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2017-03-30 8:55 ` Markus Armbruster
2017-03-23 11:23 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 00/14] Wind River Systems AVP PMD Allain Legacy
2017-03-23 11:24 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 01/14] drivers/net: adds AVP PMD base files Allain Legacy
2017-03-23 11:24 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 02/14] net/avp: public header files Allain Legacy
2017-03-23 11:24 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 03/14] net/avp: debug log macros Allain Legacy
2017-03-23 11:24 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 04/14] net/avp: driver registration Allain Legacy
2017-03-23 11:24 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 05/14] net/avp: device initialization Allain Legacy
2017-03-23 11:24 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 06/14] net/avp: device configuration Allain Legacy
2017-03-23 11:24 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 07/14] net/avp: queue setup and release Allain Legacy
2017-03-23 11:24 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 08/14] net/avp: packet receive functions Allain Legacy
2017-03-23 11:24 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 09/14] net/avp: packet transmit functions Allain Legacy
2017-03-23 11:24 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 10/14] net/avp: device statistics operations Allain Legacy
2017-03-23 11:24 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 11/14] net/avp: device promiscuous functions Allain Legacy
2017-03-23 11:24 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 12/14] net/avp: device start and stop operations Allain Legacy
2017-03-23 11:24 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 13/14] net/avp: migration interrupt handling Allain Legacy
2017-03-23 11:24 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 14/14] doc: adds information related to the AVP PMD Allain Legacy
2017-03-23 14:18 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 00/14] Wind River Systems " Ferruh Yigit
2017-03-23 18:28 ` Legacy, Allain
2017-03-23 20:35 ` Vincent Jardin
2017-03-28 11:53 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 " Allain Legacy
2017-03-28 11:53 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 01/14] drivers/net: adds AVP PMD base files Allain Legacy
2017-03-28 11:53 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 02/14] net/avp: public header files Allain Legacy
2017-03-28 11:53 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 03/14] net/avp: debug log macros Allain Legacy
2017-03-28 11:53 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 04/14] net/avp: driver registration Allain Legacy
2017-03-28 11:54 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 05/14] net/avp: device initialization Allain Legacy
2017-03-28 11:54 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 06/14] net/avp: device configuration Allain Legacy
2017-03-29 10:28 ` Ferruh Yigit
2017-03-28 11:54 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 07/14] net/avp: queue setup and release Allain Legacy
2017-03-28 11:54 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 08/14] net/avp: packet receive functions Allain Legacy
2017-03-28 11:54 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 09/14] net/avp: packet transmit functions Allain Legacy
2017-03-28 11:54 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 10/14] net/avp: device statistics operations Allain Legacy
2017-03-28 11:54 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 11/14] net/avp: device promiscuous functions Allain Legacy
2017-03-28 11:54 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 12/14] net/avp: device start and stop operations Allain Legacy
2017-03-28 11:54 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 13/14] net/avp: migration interrupt handling Allain Legacy
2017-03-28 11:54 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 14/14] doc: adds information related to the AVP PMD Allain Legacy
2017-03-29 10:44 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 00/14] Wind River Systems " Vincent JARDIN
2017-03-29 11:05 ` Ferruh Yigit
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