From: "Richardson, Bruce" <bruce.richardson@intel.com>
To: Panu Matilainen <pmatilai@redhat.com>,
Tetsuya Mukawa <mukawa@igel.co.jp>,
"Loftus, Ciara" <ciara.loftus@intel.com>
Cc: "dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>,
"ann.zhuangyanying@huawei.com" <ann.zhuangyanying@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [RFC PATCH v2] vhost: Add VHOST PMD
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 13:27:39 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <59AF69C657FD0841A61C55336867B5B03595DBA8@IRSMSX103.ger.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5624EF7D.9090908@redhat.com>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Panu Matilainen [mailto:pmatilai@redhat.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2015 2:26 PM
> To: Tetsuya Mukawa <mukawa@igel.co.jp>; Richardson, Bruce
> <bruce.richardson@intel.com>; Loftus, Ciara <ciara.loftus@intel.com>
> Cc: dev@dpdk.org; ann.zhuangyanying@huawei.com
> Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [RFC PATCH v2] vhost: Add VHOST PMD
>
> On 10/19/2015 01:50 PM, Tetsuya Mukawa wrote:
> > On 2015/10/19 18:45, Bruce Richardson wrote:
> >> On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 10:32:50AM +0100, Loftus, Ciara wrote:
> >>>> On 2015/10/16 21:52, Bruce Richardson wrote:
> >>>>> On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 12:55:26PM +0900, Tetsuya Mukawa wrote:
> >>>>>> The patch introduces a new PMD. This PMD is implemented as thin
> >>>> wrapper
> >>>>>> of librte_vhost. It means librte_vhost is also needed to compile
> the PMD.
> >>>>>> The PMD can have 'iface' parameter like below to specify a path
> >>>>>> to
> >>>> connect
> >>>>>> to a virtio-net device.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> $ ./testpmd -c f -n 4 --vdev 'eth_vhost0,iface=/tmp/sock0' -- -i
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> To connect above testpmd, here is qemu command example.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> $ qemu-system-x86_64 \
> >>>>>> <snip>
> >>>>>> -chardev socket,id=chr0,path=/tmp/sock0 \
> >>>>>> -netdev vhost-user,id=net0,chardev=chr0,vhostforce \
> >>>>>> -device virtio-net-pci,netdev=net0
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Signed-off-by: Tetsuya Mukawa <mukawa@igel.co.jp>
> >>>>> With this PMD in place, is there any need to keep the existing
> >>>>> vhost library around as a separate entity? Can the existing
> >>>>> library be
> >>>> subsumed/converted into
> >>>>> a standard PMD?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> /Bruce
> >>>> Hi Bruce,
> >>>>
> >>>> I concern about whether the PMD has all features of librte_vhost,
> >>>> because librte_vhost provides more features and freedom than ethdev
> >>>> API provides.
> >>>> In some cases, user needs to choose limited implementation without
> >>>> librte_vhost.
> >>>> I am going to eliminate such cases while implementing the PMD.
> >>>> But I don't have strong belief that we can remove librte_vhost now.
> >>>>
> >>>> So how about keeping current separation in next DPDK?
> >>>> I guess people will try to replace librte_vhost to vhost PMD,
> >>>> because apparently using ethdev APIs will be useful in many cases.
> >>>> And we will get feedbacks like "vhost PMD needs to support like this
> usage".
> >>>> (Or we will not have feedbacks, but it's also OK.) Then, we will be
> >>>> able to merge librte_vhost and vhost PMD.
> >>> I agree with the above. One the concerns I had when reviewing the
> patch was that the PMD removes some freedom that is available with the
> library. Eg. Ability to implement the new_device and destroy_device
> callbacks. If using the PMD you are constrained to the implementations of
> these in the PMD driver, but if using librte_vhost, you can implement your
> own with whatever functionality you like - a good example of this can be
> seen in the vhost sample app.
> >>> On the other hand, the PMD is useful in that it removes a lot of
> complexity for the user and may work for some more general use cases. So I
> would be in favour of having both options available too.
> >>>
> >>> Ciara
> >>>
> >> Thanks.
> >> However, just because the libraries are merged does not mean that you
> >> need be limited by PMD functionality. Many PMDs provide additional
> >> library-specific functions over and above their PMD capabilities. The
> >> bonded PMD is a good example here, as it has a whole set of extra
> >> functions to create and manipulate bonded devices - things that are
> >> obviously not part of the general ethdev API. Other vPMDs similarly
> include functions to allow them to be created on the fly too.
> >>
> >> regards,
> >> /Bruce
> >
> > Hi Bruce,
> >
> > I appreciate for showing a good example. I haven't noticed the PMD.
> > I will check the bonding PMD, and try to remove librte_vhost without
> > losing freedom and features of the library.
>
> Hi,
>
> Just a gentle reminder - if you consider removing (even if by just
> replacing/renaming) an entire library, it needs to happen the ABI
> deprecation process.
>
> It seems obvious enough. But for all the ABI policing here, somehow we all
> failed to notice the two compatibility breaking rename-elephants in the
> room during 2.1 development:
> - libintel_dpdk was renamed to libdpdk
> - librte_pmd_virtio_uio was renamed to librte_pmd_virtio
>
> Of course these cases are easy to work around with symlinks, and are
> unrelated to the matter at hand. Just wanting to make sure such things
> dont happen again.
>
> - Panu -
Still doesn't hurt to remind us, Panu! Thanks. :-)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-10-19 13:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 199+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-08-31 3:55 [dpdk-dev] [RFC PATCH v2] " Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-08-31 3:55 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC PATCH v2] vhost: " Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-09-23 17:47 ` Loftus, Ciara
2015-10-16 8:40 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-10-20 14:13 ` Loftus, Ciara
2015-10-21 4:30 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-10-21 10:09 ` Bruce Richardson
2015-10-16 12:52 ` Bruce Richardson
2015-10-19 1:51 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-10-19 9:32 ` Loftus, Ciara
2015-10-19 9:45 ` Bruce Richardson
2015-10-19 10:50 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-10-19 13:26 ` Panu Matilainen
2015-10-19 13:27 ` Richardson, Bruce [this message]
2015-10-21 4:35 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-10-21 6:25 ` Panu Matilainen
2015-10-21 10:22 ` Bruce Richardson
2015-10-22 9:50 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-10-27 13:44 ` Traynor, Kevin
2015-10-28 2:24 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-10-22 9:45 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC PATCH v3 0/2] " Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-10-22 9:45 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC PATCH v3 1/2] vhost: Add callback and private data for vhost PMD Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-10-27 6:12 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 0/3] Add VHOST PMD Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-10-27 6:12 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 1/3] vhost: Fix wrong handling of virtqueue array index Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-10-27 6:29 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-27 6:33 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-27 6:47 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-27 7:28 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-10-27 7:34 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-10-27 6:12 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 2/3] vhost: Add callback and private data for vhost PMD Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-10-30 17:49 ` Loftus, Ciara
2015-11-02 3:15 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-10-27 6:12 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 3/3] vhost: Add VHOST PMD Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-02 3:58 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 0/2] " Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-02 3:58 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 1/2] vhost: Add callback and private data for vhost PMD Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-09 5:16 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 0/2] Add VHOST PMD Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-09 5:17 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 1/2] vhost: Add callback and private data for vhost PMD Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-09 18:16 ` Aaron Conole
2015-11-10 3:13 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-10 7:16 ` Panu Matilainen
2015-11-10 9:48 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-10 10:05 ` Panu Matilainen
2015-11-10 10:15 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-09 5:17 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 2/2] vhost: Add VHOST PMD Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-09 6:21 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-11-09 6:27 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-09 22:22 ` Stephen Hemminger
2015-11-10 3:14 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-12 12:52 ` Wang, Zhihong
2015-11-13 3:09 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-13 3:50 ` Wang, Zhihong
2015-11-13 4:03 ` Rich Lane
2015-11-13 4:29 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-13 5:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 0/2] " Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-13 5:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 1/2] vhost: Add callback and private data for vhost PMD Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-17 13:29 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-11-19 2:03 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-19 2:18 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-11-19 3:13 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-19 3:33 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-11-19 5:14 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-19 5:45 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-11-19 5:58 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
[not found] ` <20151119063137.GJ2326@yliu-dev.sh.intel.com>
2015-11-19 6:37 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-13 5:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 2/2] vhost: Add VHOST PMD Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-16 1:57 ` Wang, Zhihong
2015-11-20 11:43 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-11-24 2:48 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-24 3:40 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-11-24 3:44 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-21 0:15 ` Rich Lane
2015-11-24 4:41 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-24 9:00 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 0/3] " Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-24 9:00 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 1/3] vhost: Add callback and private data for vhost PMD Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-12-17 11:42 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-12-18 3:15 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-12-18 3:36 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-12-18 4:15 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-12-18 4:28 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-12-18 18:01 ` Rich Lane
2015-12-21 2:10 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-12-22 4:36 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-12-22 3:41 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-12-22 4:47 ` Rich Lane
2015-12-22 5:47 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-12-22 9:38 ` Rich Lane
2015-12-23 2:44 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-12-23 22:00 ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-12-24 3:51 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-12-24 4:07 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-12-24 3:09 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-12-24 3:54 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-12-24 4:00 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-12-24 4:23 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-12-24 5:37 ` Rich Lane
2015-12-24 7:58 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-12-28 21:59 ` Rich Lane
2016-01-06 3:56 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-01-06 7:38 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-12-18 10:03 ` Xie, Huawei
2015-12-21 2:10 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-02-02 11:18 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 0/2] Add VHOST PMD Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-02-02 19:52 ` Rich Lane
2016-02-02 11:18 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 1/2] ethdev: Add a new event type to notify a queue state changed event Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-02-02 11:18 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 2/2] vhost: Add VHOST PMD Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-02-02 23:43 ` Ferruh Yigit
2016-02-03 2:13 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-02-03 7:48 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-02-03 9:24 ` Ferruh Yigit
2016-02-03 9:35 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-02-04 7:26 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 0/2] " Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-02-04 7:26 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 1/2] ethdev: Add a new event type to notify a queue state changed event Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-02-04 7:26 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 2/2] vhost: Add VHOST PMD Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-02-04 11:17 ` Ferruh Yigit
2016-02-05 6:28 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-02-05 6:35 ` Yuanhan Liu
2016-02-05 7:10 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-02-08 9:42 ` Ferruh Yigit
2016-02-09 1:54 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-02-05 11:28 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 0/2] " Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-02-05 11:28 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 1/2] ethdev: Add a new event type to notify a queue state changed event Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-02-06 4:57 ` Yuanhan Liu
2016-02-05 11:28 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 2/2] vhost: Add VHOST PMD Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-02-06 5:12 ` Yuanhan Liu
2016-02-09 9:38 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 0/2] " Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-02-24 2:45 ` Qiu, Michael
2016-02-24 5:09 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-02-25 7:51 ` Qiu, Michael
2016-02-26 4:29 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-02-26 8:35 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-03-01 2:00 ` Qiu, Michael
2016-03-01 2:19 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-03-02 2:24 ` Qiu, Michael
2016-03-04 1:12 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-02-09 9:38 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 1/2] ethdev: Add a new event type to notify a queue state changed event Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-03-04 4:17 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 0/2] Add VHOST PMD Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-03-04 4:17 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 1/2] ethdev: Add a new event type to notify a queue state changed event Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-03-04 4:17 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 2/2] vhost: Add VHOST PMD Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-03-04 8:39 ` Yuanhan Liu
2016-03-04 9:58 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-03-07 2:07 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v11 0/2] " Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-03-07 2:07 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v11 1/2] ethdev: Add a new event type to notify a queue state changed event Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-03-07 2:07 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v11 2/2] vhost: Add VHOST PMD Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-03-14 12:02 ` Bruce Richardson
2016-03-15 5:35 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-03-15 8:31 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v12 0/2] " Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-03-15 8:31 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v12 1/2] ethdev: Add a new event type to notify a queue state changed event Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-03-18 13:54 ` Thomas Monjalon
2016-03-15 8:31 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v12 2/2] vhost: Add VHOST PMD Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-03-18 12:27 ` Bruce Richardson
2016-03-18 13:41 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-03-18 13:52 ` Thomas Monjalon
2016-03-18 14:03 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-03-18 14:13 ` Bruce Richardson
2016-03-18 14:21 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-03-21 5:41 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-03-21 5:45 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v13 0/2] " Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-03-21 12:42 ` Bruce Richardson
2016-03-21 5:45 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v13 1/2] ethdev: Add a new event type to notify a queue state changed event Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-03-21 8:37 ` Thomas Monjalon
2016-03-21 9:24 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-03-21 11:05 ` Bruce Richardson
2016-03-21 13:51 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-03-21 5:45 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v13 2/2] vhost: Add VHOST PMD Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-03-21 15:40 ` Loftus, Ciara
2016-03-22 1:55 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-03-22 2:50 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2016-03-22 10:33 ` Loftus, Ciara
2016-02-09 9:38 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 " Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-24 9:00 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 2/3] " Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-12-18 7:45 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-12-18 9:25 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-24 9:00 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 3/3] vhost: Add helper function to convert port id to virtio device pointer Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-12-17 11:47 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-12-18 3:15 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-12-18 4:19 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-12-08 1:12 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 0/3] Add VHOST PMD Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-12-08 2:03 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-12-08 2:10 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-13 5:32 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 0/2] " Yuanhan Liu
2015-11-13 5:37 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-13 6:50 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-17 13:26 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-11-19 1:20 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-09 5:42 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 " Yuanhan Liu
2015-11-02 3:58 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 2/2] vhost: " Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-06 2:22 ` Yuanhan Liu
2015-11-06 3:54 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-05 2:17 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 0/2] " Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-11-09 22:25 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 3/3] vhost: " Stephen Hemminger
2015-11-10 3:27 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-10-27 7:54 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 0/3] " Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-10-30 18:30 ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-11-02 3:15 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-10-22 9:45 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC PATCH v3 2/2] vhost: " Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-10-22 12:49 ` Bruce Richardson
2015-10-23 3:48 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
2015-10-29 14:25 ` Xie, Huawei
2015-10-30 1:18 ` Tetsuya Mukawa
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