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From: Ferruh Yigit <ferruh.yigit@amd.com>
To: "Morten Brørup" <mb@smartsharesystems.com>,
	"lihuisong (C)" <lihuisong@huawei.com>,
	"Stephen Hemminger" <stephen@networkplumber.org>
Cc: dev@dpdk.org, thomas@monjalon.net, andrew.rybchenko@oktetlabs.ru,
	liuyonglong@huawei.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 0/3] introduce maximum Rx buffer size
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2023 17:35:34 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <97728b24-9d20-4477-b586-b0d5def10303@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <98CBD80474FA8B44BF855DF32C47DC35E9EFCD@smartserver.smartshare.dk>

On 11/2/2023 5:12 PM, Morten Brørup wrote:
>> From: Ferruh Yigit [mailto:ferruh.yigit@amd.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, 2 November 2023 18.06
>>
>> On 11/2/2023 4:51 PM, Morten Brørup wrote:
>>>> From: Ferruh Yigit [mailto:ferruh.yigit@amd.com]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, 2 November 2023 17.24
>>>>
>>>> On 11/2/2023 1:59 AM, lihuisong (C) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 在 2023/11/2 0:08, Stephen Hemminger 写道:
>>>>>> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 10:36:07 +0800
>>>>>> "lihuisong (C)" <lihuisong@huawei.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do we need to report this size? It's a common feature for all
>>>> PMDs.
>>>>>>>> It would make sense then to have max_rx_bufsize set to 16K by
>>>> default
>>>>>>>> in ethdev, and PMD could then raise/lower based on hardware.
>>>>>>> It is not appropriate to set to 16K by default in ethdev layer.
>>>>>>> Because I don't see any check for the upper bound in some driver,
>>>> like
>>>>>>> axgbe, enetc and so on.
>>>>>>> I'm not sure if they have no upper bound.
>>>>>>> And some driver's maximum buffer size is "16384(16K) - 128"
>>>>>>> So it's better to set to UINT32_MAX by default.
>>>>>>> what do you think?
>>>>>> The goal is always giving application a working upper bound, and
>>>>>> enforcing
>>>>>> that as much as possible in ethdev layer. It doesnt matter which
>>>> pattern
>>>>>> does that.  Fortunately, telling application an incorrect answer
>> is
>>>>>> not fatal.
>>>>>> If over estimated, application pool would be wasting space.
>>>>>> If under estimated, application will get more fragmented packets.
>>>>> I know what you mean.
>>>>> If we set UINT32_MAX, it just means that driver don't report this
>>>> upper
>>>>> bound.
>>>>> This is also a very common way of handling. And it has no effect on
>>>> the
>>>>> drivers that doesn't report this value.
>>>>> On the contrary, if we set a default value (like 16K) in ethdev,
>> user
>>>>> may be misunderstood and confused by that, right?
>>>>> After all, this isn't the real upper bound of all drivers. And this
>>>>> fixed default value may affect the behavior of some driver that I
>>>> didn't
>>>>> find their upper bound.
>>>>> So I'd like to keep it as UINT32_MAX.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Stephen, Morten,
>>>>
>>>> I saw scattered Rx mentioned, there may be some misalignment,
>>>> the purpose of the patch is not to enable application to set as big
>> as
>>>> possible mbuf size, so that application can escape from parsing
>>>> multi-segment mbufs.
>>>> Indeed application can provide a large mbuf anyway, to have same
>>>> result,
>>>> without knowing this information.
>>>>
>>>> Main motivation is other way around, device may have restriction on
>>>> buffer size that a single descriptor can address, independent from
>>>> scattered Rx used, if mbuf size is bigger than this device limit,
>> each
>>>> mbuf will have some unused space.
>>>> Patch has intention to inform this max per mbuf/descriptor buffer
>> size,
>>>> so that application doesn't allocate bigger mbuf and waste memory.
>>>
>>> Good point!
>>>
>>> Let's categorize this patch series as a memory optimization for
>> applications that support jumbo frames, but are trying to avoid (or
>> reduce) scattered RX. :-)
>>>
>>
>> It is a memory optimization patch, but again nothing to do with jumbo
>> frames or scattered Rx.
> 
> I expect all NICs to support standard Ethernet frames without scattered RX.
> 
> So I consider this patch related to jumbo frames (and non-scattered RX). Is there any other use case?
> 

I was thinking this is mainly for miss configuration by the application,
but if done intentionally yes intention of the application can be to
receive jumbo frames.


  reply	other threads:[~2023-11-02 17:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 57+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-08  4:02 [RFC] ethdev: " Huisong Li
2023-08-11 12:07 ` Andrew Rybchenko
2023-08-15  8:16   ` lihuisong (C)
2023-08-15 11:10 ` [PATCH v1 0/3] " Huisong Li
2023-08-15 11:10   ` [PATCH v1 1/3] ethdev: " Huisong Li
2023-09-28 15:56     ` Ferruh Yigit
2023-10-24 12:21       ` lihuisong (C)
2023-08-15 11:10   ` [PATCH v1 2/3] app/testpmd: add maximum Rx buffer size display Huisong Li
2023-08-15 11:10   ` [PATCH v1 3/3] net/hns3: report maximum buffer size Huisong Li
2023-10-27  4:15 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] introduce maximum Rx " Huisong Li
2023-10-27  4:15   ` [PATCH v2 1/3] ethdev: " Huisong Li
2023-10-27  6:27     ` fengchengwen
2023-10-27  7:40     ` Morten Brørup
2023-10-28  1:23       ` lihuisong (C)
2023-10-27  4:15   ` [PATCH v2 2/3] app/testpmd: add maximum Rx buffer size display Huisong Li
2023-10-27  6:28     ` fengchengwen
2023-10-27  4:15   ` [PATCH v2 3/3] net/hns3: report maximum buffer size Huisong Li
2023-10-27  6:17     ` fengchengwen
2023-10-28  1:48 ` [PATCH v3 0/3] introduce maximum Rx " Huisong Li
2023-10-28  1:48   ` [PATCH v3 1/3] ethdev: " Huisong Li
2023-10-29 15:43     ` Stephen Hemminger
2023-10-30  3:08       ` lihuisong (C)
2023-10-28  1:48   ` [PATCH v3 2/3] app/testpmd: add maximum Rx buffer size display Huisong Li
2023-10-28  1:48   ` [PATCH v3 3/3] net/hns3: report maximum buffer size Huisong Li
2023-10-29 15:48   ` [PATCH v3 0/3] introduce maximum Rx " Stephen Hemminger
2023-10-30  1:25     ` lihuisong (C)
2023-10-30 18:48       ` Stephen Hemminger
2023-10-31  2:57         ` lihuisong (C)
2023-10-31  7:48           ` Morten Brørup
2023-10-31 15:40           ` Stephen Hemminger
2023-11-01  2:36             ` lihuisong (C)
2023-11-01 16:08               ` Stephen Hemminger
2023-11-02  1:59                 ` lihuisong (C)
2023-11-02 16:23                   ` Ferruh Yigit
2023-11-02 16:51                     ` Morten Brørup
2023-11-02 17:05                       ` Ferruh Yigit
2023-11-02 17:12                         ` Morten Brørup
2023-11-02 17:35                           ` Ferruh Yigit [this message]
2023-11-03  2:13                       ` lihuisong (C)
2023-11-02 12:16 ` [PATCH v4 " Huisong Li
2023-11-02 12:16   ` [PATCH v4 1/3] ethdev: " Huisong Li
2023-11-02 16:35     ` Ferruh Yigit
2023-11-03  2:21       ` lihuisong (C)
2023-11-03  3:30         ` Ferruh Yigit
2023-11-03  6:27           ` lihuisong (C)
2023-11-02 12:16   ` [PATCH v4 2/3] app/testpmd: add maximum Rx buffer size display Huisong Li
2023-11-02 16:42     ` Ferruh Yigit
2023-11-03  2:39       ` lihuisong (C)
2023-11-03  3:53         ` Ferruh Yigit
2023-11-03  6:37           ` lihuisong (C)
2023-11-02 12:16   ` [PATCH v4 3/3] net/hns3: report maximum buffer size Huisong Li
2023-11-03 10:27 ` [PATCH v5 0/3] introduce maximum Rx " Huisong Li
2023-11-03 10:27   ` [PATCH v5 1/3] ethdev: " Huisong Li
2023-11-03 12:37     ` Ivan Malov
2023-11-03 10:27   ` [PATCH v5 2/3] app/testpmd: add maximum Rx buffer size display Huisong Li
2023-11-03 10:27   ` [PATCH v5 3/3] net/hns3: report maximum buffer size Huisong Li
2023-11-03 11:53   ` [PATCH v5 0/3] introduce maximum Rx " Ferruh Yigit

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