From: Honnappa Nagarahalli <Honnappa.Nagarahalli@arm.com>
To: Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org>,
Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
Cc: "Van Haaren, Harry" <harry.van.haaren@intel.com>,
"dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>, nd <nd@arm.com>,
Dharmik Thakkar <Dharmik.Thakkar@arm.com>,
Malvika Gupta <Malvika.Gupta@arm.com>,
"Gavin Hu (Arm Technology China)" <Gavin.Hu@arm.com>,
Honnappa Nagarahalli <Honnappa.Nagarahalli@arm.com>,
nd <nd@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [RFC 0/3] tqs: add thread quiescent state library
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2018 20:20:34 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <AM6PR08MB3672406D7ED77DC1C3E5E96B98D30@AM6PR08MB3672.eurprd08.prod.outlook.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1543595185.18215.5.camel@debian.org>
Hi Luca,
Appreciate your comments.
>
> liburcu has many flavours already, qsbr being one of them. If none of those
> are optimal for this use case, why not work with upstream to either improve
> the existing flavours, or add a new one?
>
> You have the specific knowledge and expertise about the requirements
> needs for the implementation for this use case, and they have the long-
> time and extensive experience maintaining the library on a wide range of
> systems and use cases. Why not combine both?
> I might be wrong, but to me, nothing described above seems to be
> particularly or uniquely tied to implementing a software dataplane or to
> DPDK.
This comment does not help much, I would prefer a more concrete comment. If possible, can you please mention where else these features are required? IMO, if these were required for other use cases, they would have been present in liburcu already.
IMHO we should pool and share wherever possible, rather than build
> an ecosystem closed onto itself.
>
> Just my 2c of course!
I would say this is true for some of the other libraries in DPDK as well [1] or in fact for the whole of DPDK. Linux Kernel has introduced XDP. I would say Linux Kernel has much vibrant history and community. If XDP lacks some of the features we want, why not work with Linux community to improve it and not do DPDK?
[1] https://github.com/urcu/userspace-rcu/blob/master/doc/uatomic-api.md
IMO, we should focus our discussion on how relevant rte_tqs is to DPDK, whether it solves the problems people face while using DPDK and the value add it brings. This should be the basis for the acceptance rather than what is available elsewhere.
>
> > > DPDK needs to fix its dependency model, and just admit that it is ok
> > > to build off of more than glibc.
> > >
> > > Having used liburcu, it can be done in a small manner and really
> > > isn't that confusing.
> > >
> > > Is your real issue the LGPL license of liburcu for your skittish
> > > customers?
> >
> > I have not had any discussions on this. Customers are mainly focused
> > on having a solution on which they have meaningful control. They want
> > to be able to submit a patch and change things if required. For ex:
> > barriers for Arm [7] are not optimal. How easy is it to change this
> > and get it into distros (there are both internal and external factors
> > here)?
>
> It's just as easy (or as hard) as it is with DPDK. So it's either wait for the
> distros to update, or rebuild locally.
>
I have not worked with that community, hence I cannot comment on that. Apologies for asking some hard questions, but, do you know how easy it is to change the license for liburcu? Can the DPDK governing board take a decision to change the license for liburcu?
> --
> Kind regards,
> Luca Boccassi
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2018-11-22 3:30 Honnappa Nagarahalli
2018-11-22 3:30 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC 1/3] log: add TQS log type Honnappa Nagarahalli
2018-11-27 22:24 ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-11-28 5:58 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2018-11-22 3:30 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC 2/3] tqs: add thread quiescent state library Honnappa Nagarahalli
2018-11-24 12:18 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2018-11-27 21:32 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2018-11-28 15:25 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2018-12-07 7:27 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2018-12-07 17:29 ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-12-11 6:40 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2018-12-13 12:26 ` Burakov, Anatoly
2018-12-18 4:30 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2018-12-18 6:31 ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-12-12 9:29 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2018-12-13 7:39 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2018-12-17 13:14 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2018-11-22 3:30 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC 3/3] test/tqs: Add API and functional tests Honnappa Nagarahalli
[not found] ` <CGME20181122073110eucas1p17592400af6c0b807dc87e90d136575af@eucas1p1.samsung.com>
2018-11-22 7:31 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC 0/3] tqs: add thread quiescent state library Ilya Maximets
2018-11-27 22:28 ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-11-27 22:49 ` Van Haaren, Harry
2018-11-28 5:31 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2018-11-28 23:23 ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-11-30 2:13 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2018-11-30 16:26 ` Luca Boccassi
2018-11-30 18:32 ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-11-30 20:20 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli [this message]
2018-11-30 20:56 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2018-11-30 23:44 ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-12-01 18:37 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2018-11-30 2:25 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2018-11-30 21:03 ` Mattias Rönnblom
2018-12-22 2:14 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 0/2] rcu: add RCU library supporting QSBR mechanism Honnappa Nagarahalli
2018-12-22 2:14 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 1/2] " Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-01-15 11:39 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-01-15 20:43 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-01-16 15:56 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-01-18 6:48 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-01-18 12:14 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-01-24 17:15 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-01-24 18:05 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-02-22 7:07 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2018-12-22 2:14 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v2 2/2] test/rcu_qsbr: add API and functional tests Honnappa Nagarahalli
2018-12-23 7:30 ` Stephen Hemminger
2018-12-23 16:25 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-01-18 7:04 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-02-22 7:04 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v3 0/5] rcu: add RCU library supporting QSBR mechanism Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-02-22 7:04 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v3 1/5] " Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-02-22 7:04 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v3 2/5] test/rcu_qsbr: add API and functional tests Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-02-22 7:04 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v3 3/5] lib/rcu: add dynamic memory allocation capability Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-02-22 7:04 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v3 4/5] test/rcu_qsbr: modify test cases for dynamic memory allocation Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-02-22 7:04 ` [dpdk-dev] [RFC v3 5/5] lib/rcu: fix the size of register thread ID array size Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-03-19 4:52 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 0/3] lib/rcu: add RCU library supporting QSBR mechanism Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-03-19 4:52 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-03-19 4:52 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 1/3] rcu: " Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-03-19 4:52 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-03-22 16:42 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-03-22 16:42 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-03-26 4:35 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-03-26 4:35 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-03-28 11:15 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-03-28 11:15 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-03-29 5:54 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-03-29 5:54 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-03-19 4:52 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 2/3] test/rcu_qsbr: add API and functional tests Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-03-19 4:52 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-03-19 4:52 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 3/3] doc/rcu: add lib_rcu documentation Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-03-19 4:52 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-03-25 11:34 ` Kovacevic, Marko
2019-03-25 11:34 ` Kovacevic, Marko
2019-03-26 4:43 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-03-26 4:43 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-03-27 5:52 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 0/3] lib/rcu: add RCU library supporting QSBR mechanism Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-03-27 5:52 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-03-27 5:52 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 1/3] rcu: " Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-03-27 5:52 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-03-27 5:52 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 2/3] test/rcu_qsbr: add API and functional tests Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-03-27 5:52 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-03-27 5:52 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 3/3] doc/rcu: add lib_rcu documentation Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-03-27 5:52 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-01 17:10 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 0/3] lib/rcu: add RCU library supporting QSBR mechanism Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-01 17:10 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-01 17:11 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 1/3] rcu: " Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-01 17:11 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-02 10:22 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-04-02 10:22 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-04-02 10:53 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-04-02 10:53 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-04-01 17:11 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 2/3] test/rcu_qsbr: add API and functional tests Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-01 17:11 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-02 10:55 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-04-02 10:55 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-04-01 17:11 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 3/3] doc/rcu: add lib_rcu documentation Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-01 17:11 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-10 11:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 0/3] lib/rcu: add RCU library supporting QSBR mechanism Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-10 11:20 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-10 11:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 1/3] rcu: " Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-10 11:20 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-10 18:14 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-10 18:14 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-11 4:35 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-11 4:35 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-11 15:26 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-11 15:26 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-12 20:21 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-12 20:21 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-15 16:51 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-04-15 16:51 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-04-15 19:46 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-15 19:46 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-10 11:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 2/3] test/rcu_qsbr: add API and functional tests Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-10 11:20 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-10 15:26 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-04-10 15:26 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-04-10 16:15 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-10 16:15 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-10 11:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 3/3] doc/rcu: add lib_rcu documentation Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-10 11:20 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-12 20:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 0/3] lib/rcu: add RCU library supporting QSBR mechanism Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-12 20:20 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-12 20:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 1/3] rcu: " Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-12 20:20 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-12 22:06 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-04-12 22:06 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-04-12 22:24 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-12 22:24 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-12 23:06 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-04-12 23:06 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-04-15 12:24 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-04-15 12:24 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-04-15 15:38 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-04-15 15:38 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-04-15 17:39 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-04-15 17:39 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-04-15 18:56 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-15 18:56 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-15 21:26 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-04-15 21:26 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-04-16 5:29 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-16 5:29 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-16 14:54 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-04-16 14:54 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-04-16 16:56 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-16 16:56 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-16 21:22 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-04-16 21:22 ` Stephen Hemminger
2019-04-17 1:45 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-17 1:45 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-17 13:39 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-04-17 13:39 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-04-17 14:02 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-17 14:02 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-17 14:18 ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-04-17 14:18 ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-04-12 20:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 2/3] test/rcu_qsbr: add API and functional tests Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-12 20:20 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-12 20:20 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 3/3] doc/rcu: add lib_rcu documentation Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-12 20:20 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-15 17:29 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 0/3] lib/rcu: add RCU library supporting QSBR mechanism Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-04-15 17:29 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-04-16 5:10 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-16 5:10 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-17 4:13 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 " Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-17 4:13 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-17 4:13 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 1/3] rcu: " Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-17 4:13 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-19 19:19 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-19 19:19 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-23 1:08 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-23 1:08 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-17 4:13 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 2/3] test/rcu_qsbr: add API and functional tests Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-17 4:13 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-17 4:13 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 3/3] doc/rcu: add lib_rcu documentation Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-17 4:13 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-21 16:40 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 0/3] lib/rcu: add RCU library supporting QSBR mechanism Thomas Monjalon
2019-04-21 16:40 ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-04-25 14:18 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-25 14:18 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-25 14:27 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-25 14:27 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-25 14:38 ` David Marchand
2019-04-25 14:38 ` David Marchand
2019-04-23 4:31 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 " Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-23 4:31 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-23 4:31 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 1/3] rcu: " Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-23 4:31 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-23 8:10 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-23 8:10 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-04-23 21:23 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-23 21:23 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-24 20:02 ` Jerin Jacob Kollanukkaran
2019-04-24 20:02 ` Jerin Jacob Kollanukkaran
2019-04-25 5:15 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-25 5:15 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-24 10:03 ` Ruifeng Wang (Arm Technology China)
2019-04-24 10:03 ` Ruifeng Wang (Arm Technology China)
2019-04-23 4:31 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 2/3] test/rcu_qsbr: add API and functional tests Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-23 4:31 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-23 4:31 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 3/3] doc/rcu: add lib_rcu documentation Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-23 4:31 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-24 10:12 ` Ruifeng Wang (Arm Technology China)
2019-04-24 10:12 ` Ruifeng Wang (Arm Technology China)
2019-04-26 4:39 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 0/4] lib/rcu: add RCU library supporting QSBR mechanism Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-26 4:39 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-26 4:39 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 1/4] rcu: " Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-26 4:39 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-26 8:13 ` Jerin Jacob Kollanukkaran
2019-04-26 8:13 ` Jerin Jacob Kollanukkaran
2019-04-28 3:25 ` Ruifeng Wang (Arm Technology China)
2019-04-28 3:25 ` Ruifeng Wang (Arm Technology China)
2019-04-29 20:33 ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-04-29 20:33 ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-04-30 10:51 ` Hemant Agrawal
2019-04-30 10:51 ` Hemant Agrawal
2019-04-26 4:39 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 2/4] test/rcu_qsbr: add API and functional tests Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-26 4:39 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-29 20:35 ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-04-29 20:35 ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-04-30 4:20 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-30 4:20 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-30 7:58 ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-04-30 7:58 ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-04-26 4:39 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 3/4] doc/rcu: add lib_rcu documentation Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-26 4:39 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-26 4:40 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 4/4] doc: added RCU to the release notes Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-26 4:40 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-04-26 12:04 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 0/4] lib/rcu: add RCU library supporting QSBR mechanism Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-04-26 12:04 ` Ananyev, Konstantin
2019-05-01 3:54 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 " Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-05-01 3:54 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-05-01 3:54 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 1/4] rcu: " Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-05-01 3:54 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-05-01 3:54 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 2/4] test/rcu_qsbr: add API and functional tests Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-05-01 3:54 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-05-03 14:31 ` David Marchand
2019-05-03 14:31 ` David Marchand
2019-05-06 23:16 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-05-06 23:16 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
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2019-05-01 3:54 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
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2019-05-01 21:20 ` Honnappa Nagarahalli
2019-05-01 21:32 ` Thomas Monjalon
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