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Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [RFC] ethdev: support Tx queue free descriptor query
Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2024 08:47:01 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZZ0IBRNw4-Qc-drs@bricha3-MOBL.ger.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <98CBD80474FA8B44BF855DF32C47DC35E9F11E@smartserver.smartshare.dk>

On Mon, Jan 08, 2024 at 10:15:40PM +0100, Morten Brørup wrote:
> > From: Bruce Richardson [mailto:bruce.richardson@intel.com]
> > Sent: Monday, 8 January 2024 11.54
> > 
> > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 10:59:48PM +0530, jerinj@marvell.com wrote:
> > > From: Jerin Jacob <jerinj@marvell.com>
> > >
> > > Introduce a new API to retrieve the number of available free
> > descriptors
> > > in a Tx queue. Applications can leverage this API in the fast path to
> > > inspect the Tx queue occupancy and take appropriate actions based on
> > the
> > > available free descriptors.
> > >
> > > A notable use case could be implementing Random Early Discard (RED)
> > > in software based on Tx queue occupancy.
> > >
> > > Signed-off-by: Jerin Jacob <jerinj@marvell.com>
> > > ---
> > 
> > Hi Jerin,
> > 
> > while I don't strongly object to this patch, I wonder if it encourages
> > sub-optimal code implementations. To determine the number of free
> > descriptors in a ring, the driver in many cases will need to do a scan
> > of
> > the descriptor ring to see how many are free/used. However, I suspect
> > that
> > in most cases we will see something like the following being done:
> > 
> >     count = rte_eth_rx_free_count();
> 
> Typo: rte_eth_rx_free_count() -> rte_eth_tx_free_count()
> 
> >     if (count > X) {
> >         /* Do something */
> >     }
> > 
> > For instances like this, scanning the entire ring is wasteful of
> > resources.
> > Instead it would be better to just check the descriptor at position X
> > explicitly. Going to the trouble of checking the exact descriptor count
> > is
> > unnecessary in this case.
> 
> Yes, it introduces such a risk.
> All DPDK examples simply call tx_burst() without checking free space first, so I think the probability (of the simple case) is low.
> And the probability for the case comparing to X could be mitigated by referring to rte_eth_tx_descriptor_status() in the function description.
> 
> > 
> > Out of interest, are you aware of a case where an app would need to
> > know
> > exactly the number of free descriptors, and where the result would not
> > be
> > just compared to one or more threshold values? Do we see cases where it
> > would be used in a computation, perhaps?
> 
> Yes: RED. When exceeding the minimum threshold, the probability of marking/dropping a packet increases linearly with the queue's fill level.
> E.g.:
> 0-900 packets in queue: don't drop,
> 901-1000 packets in queue: probability of dropping the packet is 1-100 % (e.g. 980 packets in queue = 80 % drop probability).
> 
Ok, thanks for the info. All good with me so.

/Bruce

  reply	other threads:[~2024-01-09  8:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-12-19 17:29 jerinj
2024-01-04 13:16 ` Dumitrescu, Cristian
2024-01-04 13:35   ` Jerin Jacob
2024-01-04 14:21     ` Konstantin Ananyev
2024-01-04 18:29       ` Thomas Monjalon
2024-01-05  9:57         ` Jerin Jacob
2024-01-05 10:03           ` Thomas Monjalon
2024-01-05 11:12             ` Konstantin Ananyev
2024-01-08 20:54               ` Morten Brørup
2024-01-09 14:45                 ` Jerin Jacob
2024-01-04 21:17 ` Thomas Monjalon
2024-01-05  9:54   ` Jerin Jacob
2024-01-05 10:02     ` Thomas Monjalon
2024-01-08 10:54 ` Bruce Richardson
2024-01-08 21:15   ` Morten Brørup
2024-01-09  8:47     ` Bruce Richardson [this message]
2024-01-12 10:56     ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-01-11 15:17 ` [dpdk-dev] [v1] ethdev: support Tx queue used count jerinj
2024-01-11 16:17   ` Andrew Rybchenko
2024-01-12  6:56     ` Jerin Jacob
2024-01-11 16:20   ` Morten Brørup
2024-01-12  6:59     ` Jerin Jacob
2024-01-11 17:00   ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-01-12  7:01     ` Jerin Jacob
2024-01-12 16:30       ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-01-12  8:02   ` David Marchand
2024-01-12  9:29     ` Jerin Jacob
2024-01-12 11:34   ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-01-12 12:11     ` David Marchand
2024-01-12 14:25       ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-01-12 12:29     ` Morten Brørup
2024-01-12 14:29       ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-01-18  9:06     ` Jerin Jacob
2024-01-12 12:33   ` Konstantin Ananyev
2024-01-16  6:37     ` Jerin Jacob
2024-01-18 10:17       ` Konstantin Ananyev
2024-01-18 11:21         ` Jerin Jacob
2024-01-18 13:36         ` Morten Brørup
2024-01-19  9:52           ` Konstantin Ananyev
2024-01-19 10:32             ` Morten Brørup
2024-01-12 16:52   ` Stephen Hemminger
2024-01-18  9:47   ` [dpdk-dev] [v2] " jerinj
2024-01-22 13:00     ` Konstantin Ananyev
2024-01-23 11:46       ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-02-07 20:30         ` Ferruh Yigit
2024-01-29 15:03     ` Ferruh Yigit

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