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From: "Carew, Alan" <alan.carew@intel.com>
To: "dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 00/10] VM Power Management
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:37:51 +0000
Message-ID: <0E29434AEE0C3A4180987AB476A6F6306D28093B@IRSMSX109.ger.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3264386.kAdiTFhMft@xps13>

Hi Thomas,

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Monjalon [mailto:thomas.monjalon@6wind.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 9:26 PM
> To: Carew, Alan
> Cc: dev@dpdk.org
> Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 00/10] VM Power Management
> 
> Hi Alan,
> 
> 2014-10-12 20:36, Alan Carew:
> > The following patches add two DPDK sample applications and an alternate
> > implementation of librte_power for use in virtualized environments.
> > The idea is to provide librte_power functionality from within a VM to address
> > the lack of MSRs to facilitate frequency changes from within a VM.
> > It is ideally suited for Haswell which provides per core frequency scaling.
> >
> > The current librte_power affects frequency changes via the acpi-cpufreq
> > 'userspace' power governor, accessed via sysfs.
> 
> Something was preventing me from looking deeper in this big codebase,
> but I didn't know what sounds weird.
> Now I realize: the real problem is that virtualization transparency is
> broken for power management. So the right thing to do is to fix it in
> KVM. I think all this patchset is a huge workaround.
> 
> Did you try to fix it with Qemu/KVM?
> 
> --
> Thomas

When looking at the libvirt API it would seem to be a natural fit to have power management sitting there, so in essence I would agree.

However with a DPDK solution it would be possible to re-use the message bus to pass information like device stats, application state, D-state requests etc. to the host and allow for management layer(e.g. OpenStack) to make informed decisions.

Also, the scope of adding power management to qemu/KVM would be huge; while the easier path is not always the best and the problem of power management in VMs is both a DPDK problem (given that librte_power only worked on the host) and a general virtualization problem that would be better solved by those with direct knowledge of Qemu/KVM architecture and influence on the direction of the Qemu project.

As it stands, the host backend is simply an example application that can be replaced by a VMM or Orchestration layer, by using Virtio-Serial it has obvious leanings to Qemu, but even this could be easily swapped out for XenBus, IVSHMEM, IP etc.

If power management is to be eventually supported by Hypervisors directly then we could also enable to option to switch to that environment, currently the librte_power implementations (VM or Host) can be selected dynamically(environment auto-detection) or explicitly via rte_power_set_env(), adding an arbitrary number of environments is relatively easy.

I hope this helps to clarify the approach.


Thanks,
Alan.

  reply	other threads:[~2014-10-14 12:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-22 18:34 [dpdk-dev] [PATCH " Alan Carew
2014-09-22 18:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 01/10] Channel Manager and Monitor for VM Power Management(Host) Alan Carew
2014-09-22 18:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 02/10] VM Power Management CLI(Host) Alan Carew
2014-09-22 18:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 03/10] CPU Frequency Power Management(Host) Alan Carew
2014-09-22 18:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 04/10] " Alan Carew
2014-09-22 18:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 05/10] VM communication channels for VM Power Management(Guest) Alan Carew
2014-09-22 18:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 06/10] Alternate implementation of librte_power " Alan Carew
2014-09-22 19:17   ` Neil Horman
2014-09-23  7:48     ` Carew, Alan
2014-09-22 18:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 07/10] Packet format for VM Power Management(Host and Guest) Alan Carew
2014-09-22 18:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 08/10] Build system integration for VM Power Management(Guest and Host) Alan Carew
2014-09-22 18:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 09/10] VM Power Management Unit Tests(Guest) Alan Carew
2014-09-22 18:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 10/10] VM Power Management CLI(Guest) Alan Carew
2014-09-24 17:26 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 00/10] VM Power Management Alan Carew
2014-09-24 17:26   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 01/10] Channel Manager and Monitor for VM Power Management(Host) Alan Carew
2014-09-24 17:26   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 02/10] VM Power Management CLI(Host) Alan Carew
2014-09-24 17:26   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 03/10] CPU Frequency Power Management(Host) Alan Carew
2014-09-24 17:26   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 04/10] VM Power Management application and Makefile Alan Carew
2014-09-24 17:26   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 05/10] VM Power Management CLI(Guest) Alan Carew
2014-09-24 17:26   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 06/10] VM communication channels for VM Power Management(Guest) Alan Carew
2014-09-24 17:26   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 07/10] librte_power common interface for Guest and Host Alan Carew
2014-09-25 10:10     ` Neil Horman
2014-09-25 17:06       ` Carew, Alan
2014-09-25 17:49         ` Neil Horman
2014-09-24 17:26   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 08/10] Packet format for VM Power Management(Host and Guest) Alan Carew
2014-09-24 17:26   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 09/10] Build system integration for VM Power Management(Guest and Host) Alan Carew
2014-09-24 17:26   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 10/10] VM Power Management Unit Tests Alan Carew
2014-09-25  2:56   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 00/10] VM Power Management Liu, Yong
2014-09-29 15:18   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 " Alan Carew
2014-09-29 15:18     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 01/10] Channel Manager and Monitor for VM Power Management(Host) Alan Carew
2014-09-29 15:18     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 02/10] VM Power Management CLI(Host) Alan Carew
2014-09-29 15:18     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 03/10] CPU Frequency Power Management(Host) Alan Carew
2014-09-29 15:18     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 04/10] VM Power Management application and Makefile Alan Carew
2014-09-29 15:18     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 05/10] VM Power Management CLI(Guest) Alan Carew
2014-09-29 15:18     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 06/10] VM communication channels for VM Power Management(Guest) Alan Carew
2014-09-29 15:18     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 07/10] librte_power common interface for Guest and Host Alan Carew
2014-09-29 15:18     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 08/10] Packet format for VM Power Management(Host and Guest) Alan Carew
2014-09-29 15:18     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 09/10] Build system integration for VM Power Management(Guest and Host) Alan Carew
2014-09-29 15:18     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 10/10] VM Power Management Unit Tests Alan Carew
2014-09-29 17:29     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 00/10] VM Power Management Neil Horman
2014-10-12 19:36     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 " Alan Carew
2014-10-12 19:36       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 01/10] Channel Manager and Monitor for VM Power Management(Host) Alan Carew
2014-10-12 19:36       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 02/10] VM Power Management CLI(Host) Alan Carew
2014-10-12 19:36       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 03/10] CPU Frequency Power Management(Host) Alan Carew
2014-10-12 19:36       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 04/10] VM Power Management application and Makefile Alan Carew
2014-10-16 18:28         ` De Lara Guarch, Pablo
2014-10-12 19:36       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 05/10] VM Power Management CLI(Guest) Alan Carew
2014-10-12 19:36       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 06/10] VM communication channels for VM Power Management(Guest) Alan Carew
2014-10-12 19:36       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 07/10] librte_power common interface for Guest and Host Alan Carew
2014-10-12 19:36       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 08/10] Packet format for VM Power Management(Host and Guest) Alan Carew
2014-10-12 19:36       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 09/10] Build system integration for VM Power Management(Guest and Host) Alan Carew
2014-10-12 19:36       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 10/10] VM Power Management Unit Tests Alan Carew
2014-10-13  6:17       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 00/10] VM Power Management Liu, Yong
2014-10-13 20:26       ` Thomas Monjalon
2014-10-14 12:37         ` Carew, Alan [this message]
2014-10-14 15:03           ` Thomas Monjalon
2014-10-16 15:21             ` Carew, Alan
2014-10-28 15:21               ` Thomas Monjalon
2014-11-10  9:05                 ` Carew, Alan
2014-11-10 17:54                   ` O'driscoll, Tim
2014-11-21 23:51                     ` Zhu, Heqing
2014-11-22 17:17                     ` Vincent JARDIN
2014-12-09 17:35                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-12-11 23:18                         ` Thomas Monjalon
2014-12-12 13:00                           ` Carew, Alan
2014-12-12 14:50                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-12-12 16:10                               ` Thomas Monjalon
2014-12-12 16:13                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-11-21 17:42       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 00/10] Virtual Machine " Pablo de Lara
2014-11-21 17:42         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 01/10] Channel Manager and Monitor for VM Power Management(Host) Pablo de Lara
2014-11-21 17:42         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 02/10] VM Power Management CLI(Host) Pablo de Lara
2014-11-21 17:42         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 03/10] CPU Frequency Power Management(Host) Pablo de Lara
2014-11-21 17:42         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 04/10] VM Power Management application and Makefile Pablo de Lara
2014-11-21 17:42         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 05/10] VM Power Management CLI(Guest) Pablo de Lara
2014-11-21 17:42         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 06/10] VM communication channels for VM Power Management(Guest) Pablo de Lara
2014-11-21 17:42         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 07/10] librte_power common interface for Guest and Host Pablo de Lara
2014-11-21 17:42         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 08/10] Packet format for VM Power Management(Host and Guest) Pablo de Lara
2014-11-21 17:42         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 09/10] Build system integration for VM Power Management(Guest and Host) Pablo de Lara
2014-11-21 17:42         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 10/10] VM Power Management Unit Tests Pablo de Lara
2014-11-25 16:18         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 00/10] Virtual Machine Power Management Pablo de Lara
2014-11-25 16:18           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 01/10] Channel Manager and Monitor for VM Power Management(Host) Pablo de Lara
2014-11-29 15:21             ` Neil Horman
2014-11-25 16:18           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 02/10] VM Power Management CLI(Host) Pablo de Lara
2014-11-25 16:18           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 03/10] CPU Frequency Power Management(Host) Pablo de Lara
2014-11-25 16:18           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 04/10] VM Power Management application and Makefile Pablo de Lara
2014-11-25 16:18           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 05/10] VM Power Management CLI(Guest) Pablo de Lara
2014-11-25 16:18           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 06/10] VM communication channels for VM Power Management(Guest) Pablo de Lara
2014-11-25 16:18           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 07/10] librte_power common interface for Guest and Host Pablo de Lara
2014-11-25 16:18           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 08/10] Packet format for VM Power Management(Host and Guest) Pablo de Lara
2014-11-25 16:18           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 09/10] Build system integration for VM Power Management(Guest and Host) Pablo de Lara
2014-11-25 16:18           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 10/10] VM Power Management Unit Tests Pablo de Lara
2014-11-26 16:41           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 00/10] Virtual Machine Power Management Thomas Monjalon
2014-11-10  9:19     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2] librte_cmdline: FreeBSD Fix oveflow when size of command result structure is greater than BUFSIZ Alan Carew
2014-12-05 14:16       ` Olivier MATZ
2014-12-05 14:19         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3] " Olivier Matz
2014-12-05 15:51           ` Bruce Richardson
2014-12-05 15:58             ` Thomas Monjalon

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