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From: Thomas Monjalon <thomas@monjalon.net>
To: Ferruh Yigit <ferruh.yigit@intel.com>
Cc: Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>,
	"Kinsella, Ray" <ray.kinsella@intel.com>,
	David Marchand <david.marchand@redhat.com>,
	Luca Boccassi <bluca@debian.org>,
	Christian Ehrhardt <christian.ehrhardt@canonical.com>,
	Timothy Redaelli <tredaelli@redhat.com>,
	Kevin Traynor <ktraynor@redhat.com>, dpdk-dev <dev@dpdk.org>,
	Bruce Richardson <bruce.richardson@intel.com>,
	"Laatz, Kevin" <kevin.laatz@intel.com>,
	Andrew Rybchenko <arybchenko@solarflare.com>,
	Neil Horman <nhorman@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] How to manage new APIs added after major ABI release?
Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 16:02:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <13948405.dOHl5BjGNH@xps> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d49e8bfe-034f-90a5-e2c1-db74c50ba2e7@intel.com>

11/12/2019 14:30, Ferruh Yigit:
> On 12/11/2019 1:11 PM, Neil Horman wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 10, 2019 at 11:56:28AM +0000, Ferruh Yigit wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> With new process, the major ABI releases will be compatible until it is
> >> deprecated (until next LTS for now),
> >> like current ABI version is 20 in DPDK_19.11 and DPDK versions until DPDK_20.11
> >> will be ABI compatible with this version.
> >>
> >> But if we introduce a new API after major ABI, say in 20.02 release, are we
> >> allowed to break the ABI for that API before DPDK_20.11?
> >>
> >> If we allow it break, following problem will be observed:
> >> Assume an application using .so.20.1 library, and using the new API introduced
> >> in 20.02, lets say foo(),
> >> but when application switches to .so.20.2 (released via DPDK_20.05), application
> >> will fail because of ABI breakage in foo().
> >>
> >> I think it is fair that application expects forward compatibility in minor
> >> versions of a shared library.
> >> Like if application linked against .so.20.2, fair to expect .so.20.3, .so.20.4
> >> etc will work fine. I think currently only .so.20.0 is fully forward compatible.
> >>
> >> If we all agree on this, we may need to tweak the process a little, but before
> >> diving into implementation details, I would like to be sure we are in same page.
> >>
> > Yes, I agree with the assertion.  Once an ABI is fixed, it must be compatible
> > with all future minor releases subsequent to the fixing of that ABI, until the
> > next major update.  That is to say, once you release ABI_20, all minor updates
> > 20.01, 20.02, etc must be compatible with ABI_20 until such time as ABI_21 is
> > released.
> 
> There is a slight difference. All minor versions already compatible with ABI_20,
> like: 20.01, 20.02, 20.03 are ABI compatible with 20.0 (which defines ABI_20).
> 
> Question is if 20.03 should be compatible with 20.02?
> 
> This can happen if a new API is introduced in 20.2 and ABI has broken for that
> API in 20.3, so an ABI compatibility issue created between 20.03 & 20.02,
> meanwhile both are compatible with ABI_20.
> 
> I can see two options:
> a) New APIs are introduced only when we switch to new major ABI version. But if
> we switch to longer (2 years) ABI compatibility, I think this is unacceptable to
> wait up to two years to have (non experimental) APIs.

I agree we should allow to add a new stable API in the middle of an ABI lifecycle.

> b) APIs added in minor version will be part of ABI_20 after that point and same
> rules will apply to them. Like if and API has introduced in 20.2, it is not
> allowed to be broken until next major ABI version.

Yes I think it is compliant with the agreed policy.
Note that an app linked with ABI 20.2 won't be compatible with ABI 20.1,
though the reverse works.




  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-12-11 15:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-12-10 11:56 Ferruh Yigit
2019-12-10 12:04 ` Bruce Richardson
2019-12-10 12:40   ` Ferruh Yigit
2019-12-10 14:36     ` Bruce Richardson
2019-12-10 15:03       ` Luca Boccassi
2019-12-10 15:46         ` Bruce Richardson
2019-12-10 16:20           ` Luca Boccassi
2019-12-10 16:32             ` Bruce Richardson
2019-12-10 17:01               ` Kinsella, Ray
2019-12-10 17:04               ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-12-10 18:22                 ` Luca Boccassi
2019-12-10 23:34                   ` Bruce Richardson
2019-12-10 16:39             ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-12-10 17:00               ` Bruce Richardson
2019-12-10 15:04       ` Ferruh Yigit
2019-12-10 15:37         ` Ferruh Yigit
2019-12-10 15:40       ` Kinsella, Ray
2019-12-11 13:32       ` Neil Horman
2019-12-11 13:11 ` Neil Horman
2019-12-11 13:29   ` Thomas Monjalon
2019-12-11 13:30   ` Ferruh Yigit
2019-12-11 14:34     ` Neil Horman
2019-12-11 15:29       ` Ferruh Yigit
2019-12-11 15:02     ` Thomas Monjalon [this message]
2019-12-11 15:17       ` Bruce Richardson
2019-12-11 15:46       ` Ferruh Yigit
2019-12-11 15:55         ` Bruce Richardson
2019-12-11 16:30           ` Ferruh Yigit

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