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From: Thomas Monjalon <thomas.monjalon@6wind.com>
To: "Carew, Alan" <alan.carew@intel.com>
Cc: dev@dpdk.org
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 00/10] VM Power Management
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 16:21:02 +0100
Message-ID: <1804867.TWdiCQc2JQ@xps13> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0E29434AEE0C3A4180987AB476A6F6306D2811AD@IRSMSX109.ger.corp.intel.com>

Hi Alan,

Did you make any progress in Qemu/KVM community?
We need to be sync'ed up with them to be sure we share the same goal.
I want also to avoid using a solution which doesn't fit with their plan.
Remember that we already had this problem with ivshmem which was planned
to be dropped.

Thanks
-- 
Thomas


2014-10-16 15:21, Carew, Alan:
> Hi Thomas,
> 
> > > However with a DPDK solution it would be possible to re-use the message bus
> > > to pass information like device stats, application state, D-state requests
> > > etc. to the host and allow for management layer(e.g. OpenStack) to make
> > > informed decisions.
> > 
> > I think that management informations should be transmitted in a management
> > channel. Such solution should exist in OpenStack.
> 
> Perhaps it does, but this solution is not exclusive to OpenStack and just a potential use case.
> 
> > 
> > > Also, the scope of adding power management to qemu/KVM would be huge;
> > > while the easier path is not always the best and the problem of power
> > > management in VMs is both a DPDK problem (given that librte_power only
> > > worked on the host) and a general virtualization problem that would be
> > > better solved by those with direct knowledge of Qemu/KVM architecture
> > > and influence on the direction of the Qemu project.
> > 
> > Being a huge effort is not an argument.
> 
> I agree completely and was implied by what followed the conjunction.
> 
> > Please check with Qemu community, they'll welcome it.
> > 
> > > As it stands, the host backend is simply an example application that can
> > > be replaced by a VMM or Orchestration layer, by using Virtio-Serial it has
> > > obvious leanings to Qemu, but even this could be easily swapped out for
> > > XenBus, IVSHMEM, IP etc.
> > >
> > > If power management is to be eventually supported by Hypervisors directly
> > > then we could also enable to option to switch to that environment, currently
> > > the librte_power implementations (VM or Host) can be selected dynamically
> > > (environment auto-detection) or explicitly via rte_power_set_env(), adding
> > > an arbitrary number of environments is relatively easy.
> > 
> > Yes, you are adding a new layer to workaround hypervisor lacks. And this layer
> > will handle native support when it will exist. But if you implement native
> > support now, we don't need this extra layer.
> 
> Indeed, but we have a solution implemented now and yes it is a workaround, that is until Hypervisors support such functionality. It is possible that whatever solutions for power management present themselves in the future may require workarounds also, us-vhost is an example of such a workaround introduced to DPDK.
> 
> > 
> > > I hope this helps to clarify the approach.
> > 
> > Thanks for your explanation.
> 
> Thanks for the feedback.
> 
> > 
> > --
> > Thomas
> 
> Alan.

  reply	other threads:[~2014-10-28 15:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 97+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-09-22 18:34 [dpdk-dev] [PATCH " Alan Carew
2014-09-22 18:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 01/10] Channel Manager and Monitor for VM Power Management(Host) Alan Carew
2014-09-22 18:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 02/10] VM Power Management CLI(Host) Alan Carew
2014-09-22 18:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 03/10] CPU Frequency Power Management(Host) Alan Carew
2014-09-22 18:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 04/10] " Alan Carew
2014-09-22 18:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 05/10] VM communication channels for VM Power Management(Guest) Alan Carew
2014-09-22 18:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 06/10] Alternate implementation of librte_power " Alan Carew
2014-09-22 19:17   ` Neil Horman
2014-09-23  7:48     ` Carew, Alan
2014-09-22 18:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 07/10] Packet format for VM Power Management(Host and Guest) Alan Carew
2014-09-22 18:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 08/10] Build system integration for VM Power Management(Guest and Host) Alan Carew
2014-09-22 18:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 09/10] VM Power Management Unit Tests(Guest) Alan Carew
2014-09-22 18:34 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 10/10] VM Power Management CLI(Guest) Alan Carew
2014-09-24 17:26 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 00/10] VM Power Management Alan Carew
2014-09-24 17:26   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 01/10] Channel Manager and Monitor for VM Power Management(Host) Alan Carew
2014-09-24 17:26   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 02/10] VM Power Management CLI(Host) Alan Carew
2014-09-24 17:26   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 03/10] CPU Frequency Power Management(Host) Alan Carew
2014-09-24 17:26   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 04/10] VM Power Management application and Makefile Alan Carew
2014-09-24 17:26   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 05/10] VM Power Management CLI(Guest) Alan Carew
2014-09-24 17:26   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 06/10] VM communication channels for VM Power Management(Guest) Alan Carew
2014-09-24 17:26   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 07/10] librte_power common interface for Guest and Host Alan Carew
2014-09-25 10:10     ` Neil Horman
2014-09-25 17:06       ` Carew, Alan
2014-09-25 17:49         ` Neil Horman
2014-09-24 17:26   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 08/10] Packet format for VM Power Management(Host and Guest) Alan Carew
2014-09-24 17:26   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 09/10] Build system integration for VM Power Management(Guest and Host) Alan Carew
2014-09-24 17:26   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 10/10] VM Power Management Unit Tests Alan Carew
2014-09-25  2:56   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 00/10] VM Power Management Liu, Yong
2014-09-29 15:18   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 " Alan Carew
2014-09-29 15:18     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 01/10] Channel Manager and Monitor for VM Power Management(Host) Alan Carew
2014-09-29 15:18     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 02/10] VM Power Management CLI(Host) Alan Carew
2014-09-29 15:18     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 03/10] CPU Frequency Power Management(Host) Alan Carew
2014-09-29 15:18     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 04/10] VM Power Management application and Makefile Alan Carew
2014-09-29 15:18     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 05/10] VM Power Management CLI(Guest) Alan Carew
2014-09-29 15:18     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 06/10] VM communication channels for VM Power Management(Guest) Alan Carew
2014-09-29 15:18     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 07/10] librte_power common interface for Guest and Host Alan Carew
2014-09-29 15:18     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 08/10] Packet format for VM Power Management(Host and Guest) Alan Carew
2014-09-29 15:18     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 09/10] Build system integration for VM Power Management(Guest and Host) Alan Carew
2014-09-29 15:18     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 10/10] VM Power Management Unit Tests Alan Carew
2014-09-29 17:29     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 00/10] VM Power Management Neil Horman
2014-10-12 19:36     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 " Alan Carew
2014-10-12 19:36       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 01/10] Channel Manager and Monitor for VM Power Management(Host) Alan Carew
2014-10-12 19:36       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 02/10] VM Power Management CLI(Host) Alan Carew
2014-10-12 19:36       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 03/10] CPU Frequency Power Management(Host) Alan Carew
2014-10-12 19:36       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 04/10] VM Power Management application and Makefile Alan Carew
2014-10-16 18:28         ` De Lara Guarch, Pablo
2014-10-12 19:36       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 05/10] VM Power Management CLI(Guest) Alan Carew
2014-10-12 19:36       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 06/10] VM communication channels for VM Power Management(Guest) Alan Carew
2014-10-12 19:36       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 07/10] librte_power common interface for Guest and Host Alan Carew
2014-10-12 19:36       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 08/10] Packet format for VM Power Management(Host and Guest) Alan Carew
2014-10-12 19:36       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 09/10] Build system integration for VM Power Management(Guest and Host) Alan Carew
2014-10-12 19:36       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 10/10] VM Power Management Unit Tests Alan Carew
2014-10-13  6:17       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 00/10] VM Power Management Liu, Yong
2014-10-13 20:26       ` Thomas Monjalon
2014-10-14 12:37         ` Carew, Alan
2014-10-14 15:03           ` Thomas Monjalon
2014-10-16 15:21             ` Carew, Alan
2014-10-28 15:21               ` Thomas Monjalon [this message]
2014-11-10  9:05                 ` Carew, Alan
2014-11-10 17:54                   ` O'driscoll, Tim
2014-11-21 23:51                     ` Zhu, Heqing
2014-11-22 17:17                     ` Vincent JARDIN
2014-12-09 17:35                       ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-12-11 23:18                         ` Thomas Monjalon
2014-12-12 13:00                           ` Carew, Alan
2014-12-12 14:50                             ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-12-12 16:10                               ` Thomas Monjalon
2014-12-12 16:13                                 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-11-21 17:42       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 00/10] Virtual Machine " Pablo de Lara
2014-11-21 17:42         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 01/10] Channel Manager and Monitor for VM Power Management(Host) Pablo de Lara
2014-11-21 17:42         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 02/10] VM Power Management CLI(Host) Pablo de Lara
2014-11-21 17:42         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 03/10] CPU Frequency Power Management(Host) Pablo de Lara
2014-11-21 17:42         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 04/10] VM Power Management application and Makefile Pablo de Lara
2014-11-21 17:42         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 05/10] VM Power Management CLI(Guest) Pablo de Lara
2014-11-21 17:42         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 06/10] VM communication channels for VM Power Management(Guest) Pablo de Lara
2014-11-21 17:42         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 07/10] librte_power common interface for Guest and Host Pablo de Lara
2014-11-21 17:42         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 08/10] Packet format for VM Power Management(Host and Guest) Pablo de Lara
2014-11-21 17:42         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 09/10] Build system integration for VM Power Management(Guest and Host) Pablo de Lara
2014-11-21 17:42         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 10/10] VM Power Management Unit Tests Pablo de Lara
2014-11-25 16:18         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 00/10] Virtual Machine Power Management Pablo de Lara
2014-11-25 16:18           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 01/10] Channel Manager and Monitor for VM Power Management(Host) Pablo de Lara
2014-11-29 15:21             ` Neil Horman
2014-11-25 16:18           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 02/10] VM Power Management CLI(Host) Pablo de Lara
2014-11-25 16:18           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 03/10] CPU Frequency Power Management(Host) Pablo de Lara
2014-11-25 16:18           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 04/10] VM Power Management application and Makefile Pablo de Lara
2014-11-25 16:18           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 05/10] VM Power Management CLI(Guest) Pablo de Lara
2014-11-25 16:18           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 06/10] VM communication channels for VM Power Management(Guest) Pablo de Lara
2014-11-25 16:18           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 07/10] librte_power common interface for Guest and Host Pablo de Lara
2014-11-25 16:18           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 08/10] Packet format for VM Power Management(Host and Guest) Pablo de Lara
2014-11-25 16:18           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 09/10] Build system integration for VM Power Management(Guest and Host) Pablo de Lara
2014-11-25 16:18           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 10/10] VM Power Management Unit Tests Pablo de Lara
2014-11-26 16:41           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 00/10] Virtual Machine Power Management Thomas Monjalon
2014-11-10  9:19     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2] librte_cmdline: FreeBSD Fix oveflow when size of command result structure is greater than BUFSIZ Alan Carew
2014-12-05 14:16       ` Olivier MATZ
2014-12-05 14:19         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3] " Olivier Matz
2014-12-05 15:51           ` Bruce Richardson
2014-12-05 15:58             ` Thomas Monjalon

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