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From: Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>
To: "Richardson, Bruce" <bruce.richardson@intel.com>
Cc: "dev@dpdk.org" <dev@dpdk.org>
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 2/5] Link Bonding PMD Library (librte_eal/librte_ether link bonding support changes)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 13:47:46 -0400
Message-ID: <20140616174746.GC15165@hmsreliant.think-freely.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <59AF69C657FD0841A61C55336867B5B01AA368CE@IRSMSX103.ger.corp.intel.com>

On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 04:17:03PM +0000, Richardson, Bruce wrote:
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> <...snip...>
> > > this doesn't seem like an idea solution either. I'm not 100% clear why
> > > rte_eal_pci_probe is currently called by  the application code and not initiated
> > >  from within rte_eal_dev_init, if this was the case we would be able to figure
> > out
> > > a dependency tree for initialization of devices, based on the parsed input
> > > arguments without having extra user input to or multiple calls of
> > rte_eal_dev_init.
> > >
> > I agree, I think you should move it into its proper place within rte_eal_init,
> > though I think multiple calls to rte_eal_dev_init is perfectly acceptible in
> > this scenario.  You certainly could parse the command line to build a dependency
> > tree if you wish, though I don't think thats crruently overly complex. The current
> > dependency tree is static at (physical devices, virtual devices, probe, stacked
> > devices).  If you need something more complex later, you can re-write it freely
> > as it will be an internal library mechanism with no external visibility.
> > 
> 
> How useful is this going to be? The more complicated the ethdev stacking being done, the better suited it is to being done via the C APIs, via code which can do analysis of the hardware and cores at runtime and make logical decisions? After all, even if we do have applications being run to use bonded devices at runtime in place of physical ones, the bonded devices don't actually replace the physical ones, so some other application logic is needed to ensure that the application knows to only use the bonded devices. In most cases simply having a port-mask suffices, but not all apps will have a port-mask parameter, and for those that do, it introduces complexity for the user counting out interfaces and trying to work out what ports will have what numbers to set the appropriate bits in the portmask.

Honestly?  I don't know.  As Stephen indicates the command line options might
not be overly used, as its not always the best interface to select when building
an application.  But by the same token, not everyone is building an application
that needs dynamic configuration with DPDK.  My main concern here is one of
consistency, which is really what people look for in a package within a
distribution (i.e. Fedora, what I'm doing with the dpdk right now). You're
probably correct in that lots of people will use the C api to build bonded
interfaces since its a new api and they won't have been using bonds yet.  But
I'm concerned that, with a distributed package, lots of people might also be
porting legacy applications to use the DPDK, in which case they may very well
want to create static configurations within the dpdk to lower their porting
efforts.  Those people may well be very turned off by the fact that some, but
not all interfaces can use the command line to be configured.

In the end, its all about consistency in my mind.  I get that the --vdev command
line parameter perhaps isn't the most useful interface available, but its whats
there.  And if you start creating PMD's that use separate configuration
interfaces and abandon the ones before it, you'll wind up with a hodgepodge of
apis, all of which an application will have to be aware of to provide a full
robust feature set.

If --vdev stays, we should make it work for all the PMD's.  Most might not use
it, but some will, and those that do will appreciate the consistency you
provide.  If it just doesn't make sense to keep it around anymore, lets drop it
and replace it with something better.  Perhaps a configuration file interface
would be good, so that the initialization of the pmds and the creation of
interfaces is separated from the acutal application (thats actually a good idea
I think, as it implies that all an application needs to know about is
interfaces, not how they are constructed or stacked).  But lets not just quietly
start abandoning stuff because its inconvienient.  

Neil

  reply	other threads:[~2014-06-16 17:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-28 15:32 [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 0/4] Link Bonding Library declan.doherty
2014-05-28 15:32 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 1/4] " declan.doherty
2014-05-28 16:54   ` Shaw, Jeffrey B
2014-05-29 13:32     ` Doherty, Declan
2014-05-28 15:32 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 2/4] Link bonding unit tests declan.doherty
2014-05-28 15:32 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 3/4] Link bonding integration into testpmd declan.doherty
2014-05-28 15:32 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 4/4] Add Link Bonding Library to Doxygen declan.doherty
2014-05-28 17:49 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 0/4] Link Bonding Library Neil Horman
2014-05-29 10:33   ` Doherty, Declan
2014-05-29 11:33     ` Neil Horman
2014-05-29  3:23 ` Cao, Waterman
2014-05-29 10:35   ` Doherty, Declan
2014-06-04 15:18 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 " declan.doherty
2014-06-04 15:18   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 1/4] " declan.doherty
2014-06-04 15:18     ` declan.doherty
2014-06-05 15:15     ` Stephen Hemminger
2014-06-06  9:07       ` Doherty, Declan
2014-06-06 15:13         ` Stephen Hemminger
2014-06-09 21:11     ` Eric Kinzie
2014-06-13 14:03       ` Doherty, Declan
2014-06-04 15:18   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 2/4] Link bonding unit tests, including: - code to generate packet bursts for testing rx and tx functionality of bonded device - virtual/stubbed out ethdev for use as slave ethdev in testing - checkpack fixes declan.doherty
2014-06-04 15:18     ` declan.doherty
2014-06-04 15:18   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 0/4] Link Bonding Library declan.doherty
2014-06-04 15:18   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 3/4] Adding link bonding support to testpmd. - Includes the ability to create new bonded devices. - Add /remove bonding slave devices. - Interogate bonded device stats/configuration - Change bonding modes and select balance transmit polices declan.doherty
2014-06-04 15:18   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 4/4] Add Link Bonding Library to Doxygen declan.doherty
2014-06-04 16:10   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 0/4] Link Bonding Library Doherty, Declan
2014-06-05  8:03   ` De Lara Guarch, Pablo
2014-06-05 11:03   ` Neil Horman
2014-06-06  8:23     ` Doherty, Declan
2014-06-06 14:54       ` Neil Horman
2014-06-13 14:56         ` Doherty, Declan
2014-06-13 15:11           ` Neil Horman
2014-06-06  3:26   ` Cao, Waterman
2014-06-11 16:33   ` Thomas Monjalon
2014-06-13 14:08     ` Doherty, Declan
2014-06-13 15:15       ` Thomas Monjalon
2014-06-13 14:41 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 0/5] Link Bonding PMD Library Declan Doherty
2014-06-13 14:41   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 1/5] " Declan Doherty
2014-06-13 14:41   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 2/5] Link Bonding PMD Library (librte_eal/librte_ether link bonding support changes) Declan Doherty
2014-06-13 16:08     ` Neil Horman
2014-06-13 18:34       ` Doherty, Declan
2014-06-13 19:38         ` Neil Horman
2014-06-16  8:59           ` Doherty, Declan
2014-06-16 11:07             ` Neil Horman
2014-06-16 16:17               ` Richardson, Bruce
2014-06-16 17:47                 ` Neil Horman [this message]
2014-06-16 18:07                   ` Richardson, Bruce
2014-06-16 18:09                   ` Thomas Monjalon
2014-06-13 21:59     ` Stephen Hemminger
2014-06-16  7:59       ` Doherty, Declan
2014-06-13 14:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 3/5] Link Bonding PMD Library (Unit Test Suite) Declan Doherty
2014-06-13 14:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 4/5] Link Bonding PMD Library (testpmd link bonding API support) Declan Doherty
2014-06-13 14:42   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 5/5] Link Bonding PMD Library (Doxygen Additions) Declan Doherty
2014-06-13 15:20   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 0/5] Link Bonding PMD Library Neil Horman
2014-06-16 11:18   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 0/6] Link Bonding Library Declan Doherty
2014-06-18 16:14     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 " Declan Doherty
2014-06-18 16:18       ` Neil Horman
2014-06-24 14:52       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 " Declan Doherty
2014-06-24 16:03         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 " Declan Doherty
2014-06-25 20:07           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 " Declan Doherty
2014-06-26 16:02             ` De Lara Guarch, Pablo
2014-06-26 23:57             ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 0/5] link bonding Thomas Monjalon
2014-06-26 23:57               ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 1/5] bond: new link bonding library Thomas Monjalon
2014-06-27  0:45                 ` Thomas Monjalon
2014-06-26 23:57               ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 2/5] ethdev: add unique name to devices Thomas Monjalon
2014-06-26 23:57               ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 3/5] eal: support link bonding device initialization Thomas Monjalon
2014-06-26 23:57               ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 4/5] bond: unit tests Thomas Monjalon
2014-06-26 23:57               ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 5/5] bond: testpmd support Thomas Monjalon
2014-06-27 10:18               ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 0/5] link bonding Declan Doherty
2014-06-27 20:58                 ` Thomas Monjalon
2014-06-29 17:49                 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v11 0/5] link bonding library Declan Doherty
2014-06-30  9:21                   ` Thomas Monjalon
2014-06-30  9:28                     ` Doherty, Declan
2014-07-01 22:01                       ` Thomas Monjalon
2014-06-29 17:49                 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v11 1/5] bond: new " Declan Doherty
2014-06-30  9:13                   ` Thomas Monjalon
2014-06-30 22:29                   ` Robert Sanford
2014-07-01 14:16                     ` Thomas Monjalon
2014-07-01 14:19                     ` Doherty, Declan
2014-07-01 14:26                       ` Thomas Monjalon
2014-06-29 17:49                 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v11 2/5] ethdev: add unique name to devices Declan Doherty
2014-06-29 17:49                 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v11 3/5] eal: support link bonding device initialization Declan Doherty
2014-06-29 17:49                 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v11 4/5] bond: unit tests Declan Doherty
2014-06-30  8:56                   ` Thomas Monjalon
2014-06-29 17:49                 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v11 5/5] bond: testpmd support Declan Doherty
2014-06-27 10:18               ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 1/5] bond: new link bonding library Declan Doherty
2014-06-27 10:18               ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 2/5] ethdev: add unique name to devices Declan Doherty
2014-06-27 10:18               ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 3/5] eal: support link bonding device initialization Declan Doherty
2014-06-27 10:18               ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 4/5] bond: unit tests Declan Doherty
2014-06-27 10:18               ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v10 5/5] bond: testpmd support Declan Doherty
2014-06-25 20:07           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 1/6] Link Bonding Library (lib/librte_pmd_bond) Declan Doherty
2014-06-25 20:07           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 2/6] Support for unique interface naming of pmds Declan Doherty
2014-06-25 20:07           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 3/6] EAL support for link bonding device initialization Declan Doherty
2014-06-25 20:07           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 4/6] Link bonding Unit Tests Declan Doherty
2014-06-25 20:07           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 5/6] testpmd link bonding additions Declan Doherty
2014-06-25 20:07           ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 6/6] Link Bonding Library doxygen additions Declan Doherty
2014-06-24 16:03         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 1/6] Link Bonding Library (lib/librte_pmd_bond) Declan Doherty
2014-06-24 16:03         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 2/6] Support for unique interface naming of pmds Declan Doherty
2014-06-24 16:03         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 3/6] EAL support for link bonding device initialization Declan Doherty
2014-06-25 13:54           ` Thomas Monjalon
2014-06-25 14:41             ` Doherty, Declan
2014-06-25 16:00               ` Thomas Monjalon
2014-06-25 16:15                 ` Richardson, Bruce
2014-06-24 16:03         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 4/6] Link bonding Unit Tests Declan Doherty
2014-06-24 16:03         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 5/6] testpmd link bonding additions Declan Doherty
2014-06-24 16:03         ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 6/6] Link Bonding Library doxygen additions Declan Doherty
2014-06-25 13:43           ` Thomas Monjalon
2014-06-25 14:19             ` Doherty, Declan
2014-06-25 14:23               ` Thomas Monjalon
2014-06-24 14:52       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 1/6] Link Bonding Library (lib/librte_pmd_bond) Declan Doherty
2014-06-24 14:52       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 2/6] Support for unique interface naming of pmds Declan Doherty
2014-06-24 14:52       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 3/6] EAL support for link bonding device initialization Declan Doherty
2014-06-24 14:52       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 4/6] Link bonding Unit Tests Declan Doherty
2014-06-24 14:52       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 5/6] testpmd link bonding additions Declan Doherty
2014-06-24 14:52       ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 6/6] Link Bonding Library doxygen additions Declan Doherty
2014-06-18 16:14     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 1/6] Link Bonding Library (lib/librte_pmd_bond) Declan Doherty
2014-06-18 16:14     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 2/6] Support for unique interface naming of pmds Declan Doherty
2014-06-18 16:14     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 3/6] EAL support for link bonding device initialization Declan Doherty
2014-06-18 16:14     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 4/6] Link bonding Unit Tests Declan Doherty
2014-06-18 16:14     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 5/6] testpmd link bonding additions Declan Doherty
2014-06-18 16:14     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 6/6] Link Bonding Library doxygen additions Declan Doherty
2014-06-16 11:18   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 1/6] Link Bonding Library (lib/librte_pmd_bond) initial release with support for Mode 0 - Round Robin Mode 1 - Active Backup Mode 2 - Balance -> Supports 3 transmit polices (layer 2, layer 2+3, la Mode 3 - Broadcast Declan Doherty
2014-06-16 11:18   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 2/6] Support for unique interface naming of pmds Declan Doherty
2014-06-16 11:18   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 3/6] EAL support for link bonding device initialization Declan Doherty
2014-06-16 11:18   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 4/6] Link bonding Unit Tests Declan Doherty
2014-06-16 11:18   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 5/6] testpmd link bonding additions Declan Doherty
2014-06-16 11:18   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 6/6] Link Bonding Library doxygen additions Declan Doherty

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