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From: Neil Horman <nhorman@tuxdriver.com>
To: Thomas Monjalon <thomas.monjalon@6wind.com>
Cc: dev@dpdk.org
Subject: Re: [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 4/4] docs: Add ABI documentation
Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 10:35:16 -0500
Message-ID: <20150120153516.GG18449@hmsreliant.think-freely.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3451650.yEcfPMJlme@xps13>

On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 04:06:07PM +0100, Thomas Monjalon wrote:
> 2015-01-20 09:37, Neil Horman:
> > On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 03:00:01PM +0100, Thomas Monjalon wrote:
> > > 2015-01-16 10:33, Neil Horman:
> > > > --- /dev/null
> > > > +++ b/doc/abi.txt
> > > > @@ -0,0 +1,36 @@
> > > > +ABI policy:
> > > > +	ABI versions are set at the time of major release labeling, and ABI may
> > > > +change multiple times between the last labeling and the HEAD label of the git
> > > > +tree without warning
> > > > +
> > > > +	ABI versions, once released are available until such time as their
> > > > +deprecation has been noted here for at least one major release cycle, after it
> > > > +has been tagged.  E.g. the ABI for DPDK 1.8 is shipped, and then the decision to
> > > > +remove it is made during the development of DPDK 1.9.  The decision will be
> > > > +recorded here, shipped with the DPDK 1.9 release, and actually removed when DPDK
> > > > +1.10 ships.
> > > > +
> > > > +	ABI versions may be deprecated in whole, or in part as needed by a given
> > > > +update.
> > > > +
> > > > +	Some ABI changes may be too significant to reasonably maintain multiple
> > > > +versions of.  In those events ABI's may be updated without backward
> > > > +compatibility provided.  The requirements for doing so are:
> > > > +	1) At least 3 acknoweldgements of the need on the dpdk.org
> > > > +	2) A full deprecation cycle must be made to offer downstream consumers
> > > > +sufficient warning of the change.  E.g. if dpdk 2.0 is under development when
> > > > +the change is proposed, a deprecation notice must be added to this file, and
> > > > +released with dpdk 2.0.  Then the change may be incorporated for dpdk 2.1
> > > > +	3) The LIBABIVER variable in the makefilei(s) where the ABI changes are
> > > > +incorporated must be incremented in parallel with the ABI changes themselves
> > > > +
> > > > +	Note that the above process for ABI deprecation should not be undertaken
> > > > +lightly.  ABI stability is extreemely important for downstream consumers of the
> > > > +DPDK, especially when distributed in shared object form.  Every effort should be
> > > > +made to preserve ABI whenever possible.  For instance, reorganizing public
> > > > +structure field for astetic or readability purposes should be avoided as it will
> > > 
> > > astetic? typo?
> > > 
> > > > +cause ABI breakage.  Only significant (e.g. performance) reasons should be seen
> > > > +as cause to alter ABI.
> > > > +  
> > > > +Deprecation Notices:
> > > 
> > > Neil, are you sure it's a good idea to put deprecations notices here instead
> > > of release notes?
> > > 
> > Funny, I just made mention of that in my last note.  I do think that the release
> > notes is the right place to "officially" announce deprecation warnings, but I
> > think we need a way for developers to communicate that efficiently (given that
> > the release notes aren't stored in the git tree).
> 
> Yes, they are:
> 	http://dpdk.org/browse/dpdk/tree/doc/guides/rel_notes
> So I suggest to remove Deprecation Notices from abi.txt and create an entry
> in release notes.
> 
> > I think this is the place for
> > developers to canonically list deprecations, and make reading this file part of
> > the release notes generation process.  That way, updates can be made as part of
> > the commit process easily.
> 
> Developpers can update the release notes themselves.
> 
ok, I was unaware. If thats the case, then yes, putting these deprecations
directly in the release notes makes the most sense. I'll resubmit with that
changed.


> > > I'm also thinking that we need to add more things in this doc:
> > > 	- case of macros/constant deprecation (API only)
> > > 	- case of structure update: must be renamed to provide ABI compatibility?
> > > 
> > I'm definately in favor of adding such notices here, but I hadn't planned for
> > any strict formatting of any given notice.  That is to say, I considered you're
> > two issues above to be able to be included here.  I have no issue with listing a
> > deprecation note that indicates macros are being removed or that sections of api
> > are being versioned to accomodate structure changes. of any sort
> 
> No, I was suggesting to explain in this doc that macro removal must be
> announced with a deprecation notice,
> and that in case structure must be reworked, the name must change if we
> want to preserve ABI compatibility with old structure.
> 
> > > Do you think we can have a tool to test the ABI compatibility by building
> > > examples/apps of previous version and checking them with built DSO of
> > > current version?
> > > 
> > I do, though I'm not sure its within the scope of this update.  The easiest way
> > to do it currently is to checkout the last released version of the dpdk, build
> > it as a DSO build, copy out one of the test/example apps, checkout the HEAD of
> > the tree, rebuild, and run the saved off test app from the first build using the
> > shared objects of the second build.  That does some rudimentary validation,
> > but it only touches on the API aspects that the application you're using makes
> > use of.  What would be better would be if we had a test application that made a
> > call to every exported API call that we have, so that we could be confident that
> > we were exhaustively testing the ABI surface.  I think thats a large piece of
> > work, but it would be beneficial to have.
> 
> Yes, it should be another patchset.
> Do you plan to work on it? It would be very convenient for developpers and
> maintainers to test ABI compatibility.
> 
Gladly, if we can get this in.  I think its an important tool.

> Thanks
> -- 
> Thomas
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2015-01-20 15:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 99+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-12-20 21:01 [dpdk-dev] Add DSO symbol versioning to supportbackwards compatibility Neil Horman
2014-12-20 21:01 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 1/4] compat: Add infrastructure to support symbol versioning Neil Horman
2014-12-22 14:01   ` Gonzalez Monroy, Sergio
2014-12-22 16:22     ` Neil Horman
2014-12-22 16:34     ` Neil Horman
2014-12-22 17:09       ` Gonzalez Monroy, Sergio
2014-12-22 19:00         ` Neil Horman
2014-12-22 20:04           ` Neil Horman
2014-12-20 21:01 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 2/4] Provide initial versioning for all DPDK libraries Neil Horman
2014-12-20 21:01 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 3/4] Add library version extenstion Neil Horman
2014-12-20 21:01 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH 4/4] docs: Add ABI documentation Neil Horman
2014-12-22 20:24 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 1/4] compat: Add infrastructure to support symbol versioning Neil Horman
2014-12-22 20:24   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 2/4] Provide initial versioning for all DPDK libraries Neil Horman
2014-12-22 20:24   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 3/4] Add library version extenstion Neil Horman
2014-12-23 13:05     ` Gonzalez Monroy, Sergio
2014-12-23 15:50       ` Neil Horman
2014-12-22 20:24   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 4/4] docs: Add ABI documentation Neil Horman
2014-12-23  9:48     ` Iremonger, Bernard
2014-12-23 13:01       ` Neil Horman
2014-12-23 13:27   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v2 1/4] compat: Add infrastructure to support symbol versioning Gonzalez Monroy, Sergio
2014-12-23 15:50     ` Neil Horman
2014-12-23 15:51 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 " Neil Horman
2014-12-23 15:51   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 2/4] Provide initial versioning for all DPDK libraries Neil Horman
2014-12-29 16:21     ` Sergio Gonzalez Monroy
2015-01-14 15:29     ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-01-14 16:24       ` Neil Horman
2014-12-23 15:51   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 3/4] Add library version extenstion Neil Horman
2014-12-23 16:44     ` Gonzalez Monroy, Sergio
2014-12-23 17:08       ` Neil Horman
2014-12-29 16:23     ` Sergio Gonzalez Monroy
2015-01-14 15:48     ` Thomas Monjalon
2014-12-23 15:51   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 4/4] docs: Add ABI documentation Neil Horman
2014-12-29 16:24     ` Sergio Gonzalez Monroy
2015-01-14 15:59     ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-01-14 20:07       ` Neil Horman
2015-01-16 13:34         ` Thomas Monjalon
2014-12-29 16:20   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v3 1/4] compat: Add infrastructure to support symbol versioning Sergio Gonzalez Monroy
2015-01-14 15:25   ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-01-14 20:29     ` Neil Horman
2015-01-09 12:35 ` [dpdk-dev] Add DSO symbol versioning to supportbackwards compatibility Neil Horman
2015-01-15 19:35 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 1/4] compat: Add infrastructure to support symbol versioning Neil Horman
2015-01-15 19:35   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 2/4] Provide initial versioning for all DPDK libraries Neil Horman
2015-01-15 19:35   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 3/4] Add library version extenstion Neil Horman
2015-01-15 19:35   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 4/4] docs: Add ABI documentation Neil Horman
2015-01-30 17:13   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v4 1/4] compat: Add infrastructure to support symbol versioning Gray, Mark D
2015-01-16 15:33 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 " Neil Horman
2015-01-16 15:33   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 2/4] Provide initial versioning for all DPDK libraries Neil Horman
2015-01-16 15:33   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 3/4] Add library version extenstion Neil Horman
2015-01-16 15:33   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v5 4/4] docs: Add ABI documentation Neil Horman
2015-01-20  7:14     ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-01-20 10:47       ` Bruce Richardson
2015-01-20 13:37       ` Iremonger, Bernard
2015-01-20 13:46         ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-01-20 14:24         ` Neil Horman
2015-01-20 14:29           ` Butler, Siobhan A
2015-01-20 14:41             ` Neil Horman
2015-01-20 14:50               ` Butler, Siobhan A
2015-01-20 15:30                 ` Neil Horman
2015-01-20 14:32           ` O'driscoll, Tim
2015-01-20 14:00     ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-01-20 14:37       ` Neil Horman
2015-01-20 15:06         ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-01-20 15:35           ` Neil Horman [this message]
2015-01-20 21:17 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 1/4] compat: Add infrastructure to support symbol versioning Neil Horman
2015-01-20 21:17   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 2/4] Provide initial versioning for all DPDK libraries Neil Horman
2015-01-20 21:17   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 3/4] Add library version extenstion Neil Horman
2015-01-20 21:17   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v6 4/4] docs: Add ABI documentation Neil Horman
2015-01-21 10:13     ` Iremonger, Bernard
2015-01-21 10:25     ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-01-21 14:59       ` Neil Horman
2015-01-21 16:05         ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-01-21 19:43           ` Neil Horman
2015-01-21 22:24             ` Thomas Monjalon
2015-01-22 19:21               ` Neil Horman
2015-01-21 20:57 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 01/26] version: 2.0.0-rc0 Neil Horman
2015-01-21 20:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 02/26] mk: fix link to static combined library Neil Horman
2015-01-21 20:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 03/26] eal: fix check for power of 2 in 0 case Neil Horman
2015-01-21 20:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 04/26] ethdev: fix missing parenthesis in mac check Neil Horman
2015-01-21 20:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 05/26] mem: search only dpdk hugetlbfs maps Neil Horman
2015-01-21 20:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 06/26] log: remove unnecessary stubs Neil Horman
2015-01-21 20:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 07/26] vfio: avoid enabling while the module is not loaded Neil Horman
2015-01-21 20:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 08/26] bond: fix vlan flag interpretation Neil Horman
2015-01-21 20:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 09/26] app/testpmd: remove duplicated function for list parsing Neil Horman
2015-01-21 20:57   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 10/26] nic_uio: fix thread structure compatibility for future FreeBSD Neil Horman
2015-01-21 20:58   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 01/26] version: 2.0.0-rc0 Neil Horman
2015-01-21 20:59 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 1/4] compat: Add infrastructure to support symbol versioning Neil Horman
2015-01-21 20:59   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 2/4] Provide initial versioning for all DPDK libraries Neil Horman
2015-01-21 20:59   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 3/4] Add library version extenstion Neil Horman
2015-01-21 20:59   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v7 4/4] docs: Add ABI documentation Neil Horman
2015-01-22 10:56     ` Iremonger, Bernard
2015-01-22 15:37       ` Neil Horman
2015-01-22 15:49 ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 1/4] compat: Add infrastructure to support symbol versioning Neil Horman
2015-01-22 15:49   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 2/4] Provide initial versioning for all DPDK libraries Neil Horman
2015-01-22 15:49   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 3/4] Add library version extenstion Neil Horman
2015-01-22 15:49   ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v8 4/4] docs: Add ABI documentation Neil Horman
2015-01-22 16:46     ` Butler, Siobhan A
     [not found] ` <1422898822-16422-1-git-send-email-nhorman@tuxdriver.com>
     [not found]   ` <1422898822-16422-4-git-send-email-nhorman@tuxdriver.com>
2015-02-03 15:24     ` [dpdk-dev] [PATCH v9 " Thomas Monjalon
2015-02-03 16:01 ` [dpdk-dev] Add DSO symbol versioning to supportbackwards compatibility Thomas Monjalon
2015-02-03 20:20   ` Neil Horman

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